I am sorry to tell you all but I came down with "GottaHaveIt" and was forced to buy a Garmin GPSMap 60C, but now I am much better : ) The only problem I can see is that if Binthair buys one he will create a devilish new cache that will work with the games included in the unit ; ) Now a question, I am selling my old unit to a friend, how much do you think it is worth? The unit is a Garmin Venture and comes with all manuals, carrying case and download cable and is only 2 years old? Binrat ------------------------------------------------------------ Kingston Area Geocachers mailing list //www.freelists.org/webpage/kag