If you make a point of including in the Flight Plan comments that you are new to IVAO then you are at least flagging up that you may make mistakes. Hopefully by doing so we can avoid 'Ralph-style' incidents. Paul -----Original Message----- From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of FrankTurley@xxxxxxx Sent: 02 August 2007 20:33 To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jhb] Re: IVAO In a message dated 02/08/2007 19:42:04 GMT Daylight Time, ff006c5886@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: I suppose it depends on how deep you want to go, Full IFR or limited, VFR only or VFR and IFR. Pilot only, controller only or both, your choice. But if you want to use a managed network, and get the best out of it, then you have no choice. FF I accept there's a lot to learn, it would make life simpler if you could learn a bit, fly a bit, learn a bit more, fly a bit more, and so on. It seems we have to learn an awful lot before we start, or risk the wrath of an irate controller. Frank T.