I have now downloaded iton desktop which is windows 7 64 bit using Ms outlook and all ok came in faster than any patch I have had before so mustbe small but my xp laptop using Outlook express is still saying expanded it shouldbe so easy to put right since it has often happened but if I tinker tonight I may make it worse, only think I didnot realise John was offering an august update at all Well august it is and a new moon I am told tonight and if I could see should be comets in the night sky,,weather here not clear enough however but maybe over there dorothy