Re: jaws update continued
- From: larelishumate@xxxxxxx
- To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 05:09:06 -0400 (EDT)
hi,
I don't use any of the open office products so I can't relate on
that. I have used Microsoft word for years and wish that Microsoft office
2007
did not have those blasted ribbons. I bet though that for the sighted
user it works great but honestly for a blind user it's not. Another thing
about Microsoft Office 2007 that I don't like is the fact that everything on
those ribbons is so scattered.
Laura SHumate
In a message dated 6/29/2010 11:53:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
The thing is though, NVDA does not have as steep a learning curve, as
most of its commands are like JAWS commands, and most of the keystrokes
are like JAWS ones. However, the default synthesizer shipped may be a
learning curve for some, however if they have a program like Kurzweil
1000 installed then they can use the more familiar Eloquence, by telling
NVDA to use SAPI4. Just my £0.02 worth.
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On 29/06/2010 16:43, Alex Midence wrote:
> I hope they do continue with the monthly update trend then. I think
> this product is headed for a decline in the upcoming years if the
> philosophy they've adopted with how they put out new versions doesn't
> change. Products like NVDA, System Acces to go and, even, window Eyes
> are cheaper and can all of them do something that Jaws does not.
> Their designers also seem to pay very close attention to feedback and
> suggestions and lack the complacency FS seems to have. I firmly
> believe that the only thing that is keeping Jaws popular is that
> people don't want to have to learn a brand new approach to reading a
> screen and a whole new set of keystrokes. A lot of people I've talked
> to ahve told me that they are seriously considering letting their
> SMA's expire with Jaws and make a switch to something else. I really
> hope they turn this around at FS though. I'm one of those who would
> hate to make the switch though I will if I keep having issues with
> running into software that won't work with it but will with other
> screen readers. Take Powerpoint and Open Office. Powerpoint is a
> major piece of software that everyone in the workforce has on their
> machine just about. Jaws won't read the notes and outline panes in
> 2007 but other screen readers will. Why aren't they looking into
> this? Open Office is a free suite that anyone can download and use
> and it is becoming more and more popular. There's a whole state in
> the U.S. that uses it as its productivity suite of choice. It's free
> price tag makes it so that even people who don't have a job (big chunk
> of the blind community, aka, their market) can obtain it and use it.
> But, it works like crap with Jaws because they haven't gotten their
> act together and figured out a way to make Jaws talk to stuff running
> on a Java platform. NVDA, a free screenreader, does much better
> though not perfectly with it. But, hey, it's free. Jaws isn't free
> and works poorly with it though, help with getting it to work better
> seems to be on the way though indirectly. It's been left up to end
> users to figure this stuff out.
> There's someone on another list I'm on who has started trying to crack
> this nut on his own. He's got it partway done for Window eyes and is
> working on getting java apps to run in JFW using something called a
> Java Native Api. Now, why can't FS do this? Last one and I'll stop,
> here, folks. There's an html editor out there put out by the w3c, the
> very people who they refer developers to in order to create sites in
> such a way that their software can read them to us. The editor itself
> though has been neglected by FS even though it's on its 11th version
> (not a new product. The wc3, on the other hand, has done all sorts
> of things like labeling buttons, fixing the menus to be accessible,
> adding a buch of hotkeys, but FS has done nothing to take the ball
> and run with it.
> They charge a thousand bucks for this product to a market made up of
> people who don't always have easily accessible cash because employment
> can be rather tenuous for some. That ought to go for something. Very
> sorry about this rant, I did not mean to get so carried away.
>
> Have a nice day, all
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/29/10, chris hallsworth<christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Yes it would seem that updates are becoming very regular now. I
remember
>> prior versions updates would come out something like four times a year
>> per version.
>>
>>
>> Signed by Chris Hallsworth
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>>
>> On 29/06/2010 16:02, Dorothy Ingram-Gorban wrote:
>>> I have got it in,quite small really is a number of fixes, not sure
why
>>> called enhancements eric damery put it out,in future we may get
monthly
>>> updates so we are advised to look often, well,maybe they are listening
to
>>> the feedback, one of your fellows from something called lighthouse had
>>> put in some things in dire need of fixing, dorothy
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