Hi Gery, The reason FS and GW can't currently provide the same level of remote access as Serotek has to do with the fact that Serotek does not rely on video intercept or Mirror Driver technology. There are two Serotek remote access products, RAM and RIM. RAM is indeed intended for use to remotely access servers, but RIM is an incident manager, which means a blind tech could use it to remotely access a machine owned by a sighted person with no previously installed screen reader. Installation is through a link and ActiveX browser control for the end user. I hope this technology doesn't get killed off by Freedom Scientific's lawsuit. I hope you all will sign the petition soon. Darrell Shandrow - Accessibility Evangelist Visit http://www.SaveSerotek.org and ask Freedom Scientific to stop suing! Information should be accessible to us without need of translation by another person. Blind Access Journal blog and podcast: http://www.blindaccessjournal.com Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i ----- Original Message ----- From: Gery Gaubert To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 6:28 PM Subject: freedom box and jfw If you all think prices for jaws is high, check out the prices to get the freedom box setup. I support about 300 end users and their product allows you to control computers much in the same way that pc any where or vnc does. For the setup it would cost me about $25 thousand that's right, no typo there. While the remote access provided by freedom scientific is great it has limitations. For the life of me I can't figure out why fs and even gw micro can't offer blind users something to access other computers that is based on either vnc or pc anywhere. Vnc and pc anywhere are the 2 most used programs by sighted computer users to remotely control servers and pc's. I say I don't know why but after thinking about it really do know. Money and ignorance probably play a large part of the reason. Gery Gaubert St. Charles Sheriff's Office Helpdesk Coordinator