Hi, all, After a bunch of posts from people, I think this can be said. The control insert arrow keystrokes may or may not necessarially work with 4.519 but few have tried them with the 4. 5 138 "patch" so the jury is out. Although some "think" they work with that patch for 4.5 1. They work with Office X P with JAWS 5.0884 and do a fantastic job of saving time! If you want efficiency, try them; they are great. If any one knows anything different, write me off list and again thanks to this list! -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx