Re: Say All in Outlook Express
- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:57:55 -0800
Hi Peter,
I didn't mean it was some sort of semantic distinction. I literally meant
that unless opening an email and pressing Insert down arrow are both
recognized in the programming as initiating what the program, not you,
defines as Say All conditions, then the behavior will occur only with the
key press. I swear, I know that automatic hands-off reading such as you're
talking about in email seems just like what happens when you press insert
down arrow, but I'm sure that doesn't mean the two things are equated within
the Jaws programming. Maybe someone who's better based in programming could
explain this better than I seem to have. I wasn't making some sort of
conversational comparison, saying that the two results--reading
automatically--didn't seem so alike as you feel them to be. Sure, the effect
is the same, the way you're thinking. But that doesn't mean that the
programming of Jaws sees these two occasions as related, at all. Sorry if I
was unclear.
As for performance, well, it's not as if the SAPI 5 voices don't work. I
don't know what you mean. I'm running a Pentium 4 PC with 512 Mmegs of RAM,
and I think that ought to be quite enough, from what FS says. I didn't say
they don't speak well or anything, or that they slow down my computer,, or
whatever it is that was intended. I really don't like how they render
reading flow, emphasis, response to punctuation (I am not saying *amount* of
punctuation, please understand, I do *not* mean something to do with Jaws
verbosity). The effect is not agreeable to me at all, and sounds even
stranger than Eloquence's Reed and his more artificial voice, because Reed
sounds more normal in the flow of his prose reading than these voices do. To
me, they all sound like human beings with something awfully the matter with
them neurologically, or maybe on drugs that confuse their ability to read.
It's very weird, and I happily went back entirely to good old Reed.
As I say, even though Karen sounded from her reading performance as if she
had some problems, maybe arising from undiagnosed aphasia or a drug problem,
I'd be more than willing to nurse and counsel her back to full health and
functionality if only I knew where to send her a fan email and some flowers.
So it's not as if I'm simply prejudiced against all these SAPI people.
Although I hate calling them "sappy," an old-fashioned American slang way of
calling them silly fools or dummies. I confess I really dislike the flat
accents of the American voices, which make me feel I'm trapped in a huge
shopping mall somewhere between Omaha and Cleveland, where I was born. But
then I'm a coastal big city person, and prefer other accents, not theirs.
But enough. This flu has me being a little silly. I'm surprised I can
remember how to type.
Carry on.
From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Say All in Outlook Express
But perhaps you could take it to mean that when you choose for JAWS to read
messages automaticaly, you are asking it to read it all (say it all to you.
Either way, whatever anybody wants to call it, I would like it.
As for the performance of the voices, I'm more than happy with using
RealSpeak voices all of the time, but I realise it's a lot down to the
performance of your PC and what you like.
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: Say All in Outlook Express
>I have no dog in this fight, particularly as I've tried out the SAPI 5
> voices and found their performance not to my taste, although I am
> desperately trying to find contact info for Karen in order to send
> Valentine's Day flowers.
>
> but I think there's something about definition involved here. Just because
> Jaws is designed to read an email in a seamless, hands off mode when you
> open an email doesn't mean that this function really falls under "Say All"
> in the sense that pertains. Meaning, it's not initiated by your pressing
> Insert Down Arrow.
>
> Something to think about.
> did develop a heartbreaking crush on Karen.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Devona Abel" <djasister@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 9:06 AM
> Subject: Re: Say All in Outlook Express
>
>
> Same here.
>
> Using jfw 8.
>
> Devona
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 3:30 AM
> Subject: Say All in Outlook Express
>
>
>> When you have JAWS automaticaly read messages, I'm surprised that it
>> doesn't use your Say All voice (i.e. SAPPI 5) to read the message as
>> really this is the same as Say All.
>>
>> If there is a way to get JAWS to read a message in certain voices could
>> somebody let me know.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Peter
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "G.W. Cox" <gwcox2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 4:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: How do I set up an auto rfead graphic?
>>
>>
>>> Though I have never used it, the graphics labeler is insert G. Check in
>>> Jaws help for instructions if you get anywhere.
>>>
>>> You might be able to set place markers with control K for temporary or
>>> shift control K for more than one. Once they are done, Just plunking K
>>> will let you circulate among them.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <tickpub@xxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 7:12 PM
>>> Subject: How do I set up an auto rfead graphic?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all, you've been a great help to me in the things I never knew how to
>>> do. Ok, I'm a Juno Email user, its the best thing out there, better than
>>> outlook as far as I know. No backdoor viruses and worksw so easy and
>>> simple with key borad keys. I pay $10 bucks a year for the mega mail and
>>> this means I don't have to mess with the Net to read my mail, that is
>>> what is nice for me. Any how, the only thing is that there are three
>>> good sized graphics up in the left hand corner. These are Read, send and
>>> Web!
>>>
>>> Now I do have some sight but its still hard for me to click the right
>>> thing, so want to know two things?
>>> 1. How do you set up a way for Jaws to read the graphics? I think I know
>>> how but...
>>> 2. I need to set up a hot key that will automatically move or jump to
>>> one
>>> or two of those graphics.
>>> Lets say I want to send something, I want to just use a key stroke to
>>> land on Sen, or on Write, then I'll hit enter to complete the work.
>>> I only use the Read and Send graphics up there, so only need two set
>>> ups.
>>> Is there a way to do this?
>>> MMM
>>>
>>> Michael Thanks You...
>>> TickTalk Publishing Invites You...
>>> And www.ticktalk.net Welcomes You...
>>> Read Our Stories And Have A Better Life!
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