RE: Jaws and windows 7
- From: "john R. Vaughn" <jrvaughn44@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:26:58 -0400
Adrian, no I do not. Possibly one of the more technically astute list
members can help yu out on this item. My old dectalk hardware is sitting in
a box now.
John
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:12 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Jaws and windows 7
Hi, John. My main fear about Windows 7 is that I will no longer be able to
use my cherished Dectalk Express synthesizer which, as you probably know,
connects via a serial port. The serial port is one concern, the
compatibility of Windows 7 and Dectalk Express's drivers are another. Do you
have any experience that could allay this anxiety?
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of john R. Vaughn
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:40 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Jaws and windows 7
Yadiel
Jaws works very well with windows 7 and if you install it, I know there are
a number of us who have been using it for a good while to offer help.
there are some good free tutorial information that is also available from
Microsoft as well as a book/tutorial on CD I purchased a month ago from the
National Braille Press and have about completed. All of this has been very
helpful.
I find that windows 7 is faster, not likely to crash and gives an overall
better experience than the windows Vista I upgraded from in January, 2010.
I am using Office 2003 with Windows and use Outlook for E mail. In Windows
7 there is no longer available Outlook Express from Windows XP or Windows
Mail in Windows Vista. The free E mail client you can install from Microsoft
is called Windows Live Mail and so far does not work very well. And Freedom
Scientific has not written scripts for it. That said, it is not nearly as
efficient to use as the previous mail clients. That is why I have gone to
Outlook and having to learn that product.
Others have gone to other free E mail clients like Thunderbird.
good luck with your decisions.
John
John
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yadiel
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:19 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Preview of JAWS 12
Hello again everyone:
I've heard it mention here and I really want some opinions. Is FS going to
take out the support for XP? Also, how does JFW works with windows 7? I'm
looking to upgrade my computer. And it seems that if FS takes out the
support for XP I'll do it anyways. Any tips and tricks for win 7?
Yadiel
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From: "Yadiel" <yadosotomayor@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:06 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Preview of JAWS 12
> Hello everyone:
>
>
> Consider me old school, but I love the 2003 and earlier menu view. I
> hate the ribbon and how you interact with it. I think that FS is doing
> a great job by creating that "virtual ribbon". It will make it easier
> for peaple like me to interact with 2007 and 2010 programs. But here's
> my problem. It
> is called a "virtual ribbon". How are we suppose to work with it. It
> is still a ribbon. Isn't it? If anybody has already jaws 12 can you
> explain this to me? I'm quite lost here.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:23 AM
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Preview of JAWS 12
>
>> Hmmmh. I'd like to see Jaws behave itself when it encounters the
>> ribbon in other non-microsoft applications that incorporate the
>> ribbon. Apparently, there are lots of developers out there who are
>> crazy about the ribbon interface and consider themselves as being
>> "hip"; "up with the times"; modern, when they put it in their apps
>> using something like c-sharp and the windows forms features of visual
>> studio dot net. I have yet to encounter an application that was not
>> made by microsoft whose ribbon interface was accessible. Has anyone
>> experienced anything to the contrary? It is appalling to me that
>> this should be so three years after the interface has been around. I
>> am sick and tired of having to use outdated methods of interfacing
>> with software because A.T. vendors can't keep up. How many years was
>> Windows out before we could migrate to it from DOS? I think it was
>> like 1996 or something before something truly viable came out as a
>> screen reader and that was already after windows 3.1, 3.11 and
>> Windows
>> 95 had come out. Look at Apple's macIntosh computers. A
>> little-remembered factoid for you guys not old enough to have messed
>> with pc's in the mid 80's is that Apple computers were among the
>> first to be usable by a blind person. There was something called an
>> Echo2 which was a speaker that plugged into something else called an
>> Apple II E computer. This worked as a speech synthesizer and then
>> you'd run a program called Bex (Oh, lord but that was a horrible
>> program and the speech output was just horrrid! Horrid!) but, you
>> could write documents and such with it. Us kids thought we were
>> regular geeks using it! When apple released the MacIntosh, however,
>> noone cared to make it accessible. No blind person could use it
>> until Apple themselves coded a built-in screen reader. Nobody else
>> cared to tackle it even though it's one of the most user-friendly
>> operating systems ever to hit the market.
>>
>> Perhaps the ribbon interface other developers can code into the
>> system is dependent on UIA and it's hard to use because Jaws poorly
>> supports it. I hope this also is something that changes in Jaws 12.
>> Pardon my rant.
>>
>> Have a nice day and thanks for the post.
>> alex M
>>
>>
>> On 8/3/10, Delaunay Christophe <christophe.delaunay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Several things may help you get what sighted people see on your screen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (1) Turn off virtual cursor. With real cursor, you won't get anything
>>> outside the screen.
>>>
>>> (2) Pres <insert+v>. Then, arrow down to "Document presentation". In
>>> the
>>> tree view on the left of the screen, this item is just under
>>> "General options". Then press the space bar to hear "Screen layout"
>>> and <enter> to save your settings. This time, you have a quite poor
>>> geometric representation of the screen layout but if what you want
>>> is to "see"
>>> what
>>> sighted people see, it's better than nothing.
>>>
>>> (3) If you have a braille display, put it in "line" mode and "8
>>> pixles
>>> per space". This way, the braille display presents the text like it
>>> is written on the screen. Of course, it is far from being perfect
>>> yet but you can definitely know which part of text is above or below
>>> which other.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know that we are far yet from what Papenmeier did with their
>>> famous WinDOTS screen reader for windows 3.11 but who cares really?
>>> Seems that nobody does because WinDOTS was a real flop.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HTH. Have a nice day. Chris D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> rom: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf Of Cy Selfridge
>>> Sent: mardi 3 août 2010 14:36
>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: Preview of JAWS 12
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gerald,
>>>
>>> Speaking of the workplace one thing I would *really* like to see is JAWS
>>> actually reading what is on the screen as viewed by the Sightlings.
>>> (LOL)
>>>
>>> Even with JAWS 11 folks ask "where on Earth is JAWS reading fromn?".
>>>
>>> Cy, The Anasazi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Gerald Levy
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:50 AM
>>> To: JFW list
>>> Subject: Preview of JAWS 12
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's a brief preview of JAWS 12 I just came across:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> by Curtis Chong
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In early July, I attended a three-hour session conducted by Freedom
>>> Scientific during which the company provided a sneak preview of JAWS for
>>> Windows Version
>>> 12. Freedom Scientific has been working on this newest release of JAWS
>>> for
>>> more than a year, and it is hoped that JAWS 12 will be released before
>>> the
>>> end
>>> of 2010.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Long-time JAWS users will be interested to know that in JAWS 12, Freedom
>>> Scientific proposes to replace the familiar JAWS Configuration Manager
>>> with
>>> something
>>> called the Settings Center. In the Settings Center, you can search for
>>> the
>>> setting that you want to change and then simply make the change. It is
>>> no
>>> longer
>>> necessary to explore a variety of menus to track down where, for
>>> example,
>>> you can change the level of punctuation that JAWS speaks or increase the
>>> speaking
>>> rate of JAWS. Also, in the Settings Center, your last 25 changes will be
>>> displayed at the bottom of the tree view, making it easier for you to
>>> fix a
>>> setting
>>> that might have been adjusted incorrectly or adjust settings that you
>>> change
>>> frequently.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Another feature included in JAWS 12 is the ability to operate your
>>> computer
>>> from the Braille keyboard of any connected refreshable Braille display.
>>> Using
>>> the Braille keys, you can enter any character that would be entered
>>> through
>>> a standard QWERTY keyboard, and this includes all JAWS commands as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, a proficient Grade II Braille user will be able to enter text in
>>> contracted Braille and have the result reverse-translated on the fly. I
>>> do
>>> not see
>>> much value in this feature for me, personally, but I hesitate to
>>> criticize
>>> the investment in time and effort that has been made by Freedom
>>> Scientific;
>>> I simply do not know how many Braille users out there have been longing
>>> to
>>> operate their computer from a Braille keyboard.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The final noteworthy feature in JAWS 12 is the ability to use a Virtual
>>> Ribbon in Microsoft Office. Some blind computer users have expressed
>>> frustration
>>> with the ribbon that has been incorporated into Microsoft Office 2007
>>> and
>>> now into Office 2010. What Freedom Scientific is proposing for JAWS 12
>>> is to
>>> give the Office user the choice of whether to use the ribbon as is or to
>>> use
>>> the Virtual Ribbon provided by JAWS. This Virtual Ribbon provides a user
>>> experience
>>> that feels more like the traditional menus with which a lot of people
>>> are
>>> familiar. Time will tell whether this feature is worth the investment.
>>> As
>>> for
>>> me, since I feel quite comfortable with the Office ribbon as it is, I
>>> will
>>> probably choose not to use the JAWS Virtual Ribbon that comes with JAWS
>>> 12.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In all, JAWS 12 seems like a bit of an improvement over JAWS 11.
>>> Certainly,
>>> Freedom Scientific has incorporated some new features which some people
>>> will
>>> like. As for me, I would wish for features in JAWS which make it easier
>>> for
>>> blind people to compete in the workplace-something which Freedom
>>> Scientific
>>> seems to have lost sight of over the years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
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