I think I might have finally did it! I am now hearing expanded and collapsed and I have had a few others test it and they hear it too, smile. Does anybody that groups messages by conversation want to help me test the scripts? You can download them from the following link. www.jfwlite.com\OEJaws510Expanded.zip Unzip them to your c:\jaws510\settings\enu folder. These scripts are only for Jaws 510. I hope they work for you, let me know, you can write me at debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and if all goes well, then I will put them on JFWLite. Debbie -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx