Yardbird Just a thought. Do you have power toys installed on your pc? If so open tweakui and on general go to focus. See if the prevent applications from steeling focus box is checked if so uncheck it. Maybe this could resolve your problem. Again just a thought. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "G.W. Cox" <gwcox2@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8 issue-- one among many peculiarities So you look the guy who confronted you with "You gotta issue with me?" up and down, decide he's a member of the Cornerlords or Taylor Street gang, shake your hed. "What's wrong, you too good to debate with me, or sumpin?" My plumber had an even better euphemism for problem. "I have to tell you about a circumstance in the guest bathroom." I think as long as people keep telling Freedom Scientific that they have an issue with such and such, they won't be taken seriously. In fact I once told Tracy that I didn't have a issue but a problem. He or she replied with a counter-fusilade of three uses of issue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:49 PM Subject: Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8 issue-- one among many peculiarities Hey Joseph, thanks for the sympathy and the reminder to work "focus issue" into my reports or complaints. Yeah, this is just one example of many such things I have with jaws 8. It's nearly crippled by this sort of problem,. It never occurred to me that it might be HTML related; one reason is that in fact I've taken pains to set my email preferences for the two emails I mentioned, from two newspapers' online editions, sent to me in plain text, and they are. So maybe it's not just about HTML. I'm telling you, I can't see any good reason to not do as you've done, and go back to working smoothly on my computer without this and all the other stuff that happens and makes me feel like my computer's having a nervous breakdown or my virtual cursor is stuck in mud. After all, I installed and tried out the SAPI 5 Say All voices, decided I didn't care for their performance (though I did develop a major crush on the voice Karen, I'll admit) and right now I can't remember what other important advances Jaws 8 is supposed to represent. I mean embody. Sorry, tired. I think I'll do that, just go back to my Jaws 7.0 (I never bothered with the 7.1 update after I hear so many complaints on this list about it) and get back to normal functionality without the hassle. Though I do hope someone has reported some of this stuff and that the coming update will reflect some effort at fixing at least some of it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:28 PM Subject: Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8 issue-- one among many peculiarities Hi there, This is like third or fourth time that a focus issue with JAWS has found another victim. Yes, this is my theory: that it might be caused by focus tracking issues. Unfortunately, like other souls, I have no fix that might help. Recent emails pertaining to issues such as this one is best described as "focus tracking issue." (another reason for me to see Freedom Scientific staff at CSUN 2007, especially Eric) This is another reason why I'm not using 8.0 even though I installed it (apart from several issues with Internet Sound Schemes that failed to work with 8.0). It is always HTML related apps. Repairing JAWS won't do a trick (as one of the members stated; on my system, it started with 7.1 - even the latest update for 7.1 didn't fix it despite Freedom Scientific's claim that it has been fixed). I hope February update for JAWS 8.0 fixes these problems. Cheers, Joseph > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Date sent: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:13:18 -0800 >Subject: Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8 issue-- one among many peculiarities >LOL. Sure I have, Bruce. But a repair didn't change any of a whole laundry >list of bad stuff this version is doing. It's really awful. You know what >fixes it up perfectly? Unloading Jaws 8 and launching Jaws 7! But that's not >quite tohe solution I'm hoping for. >Arghh. >prefectly? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bruce Toews" <DogRiver@xxxxxxxx >To: "JFW List" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:58 PM >Subject: Re: An Outlook Express Jaws 8 issue-- one among many peculiarities >I have never experienced anything remotely like this. Have you trie d >arepair of JAWS? >Bruce >-- >Bruce Toews >Skype ID: o.canada >E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: DogRiver@xxxxxxxx >LiveJournal: http://brucetola.livejournal.com >Radio Show and Podcast: http://www.totw.net >Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net >Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com >On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Yardbird wrote: >> Hi all, >> I'm not anticipating that anyone is likely to have a fix for this problem, >> which is just one out of a long list of Jaws 8 misbehaviors that I'm >> making >> a list of so that I can send FS a coherent report about the weird stuff >> this >> version does on my system. by which I don't mean my digestive system, >> although I'd have to say that the stress quotient from having to deal with >> this stuff must be causing me some of the heartburn I've been suffering >> lately. Anyway, it sounds dramatic to say so. >> But here's just one interesting misbehavior among many: When I have an >> email >> open with active links in it, such as I get each morning from the New York >> times and Los Angeles times with selections of headlines with links for >> going to read them online, or when someone posts a helpful message about >> some information available at some blind tech site, and I come to that >> link >> with my cursor and Enter on it, Internet Explorer properly launches if it >> isn't already running, and the page that URL belongs to loads. I can hear >> this in progress by reading the OE status line with Insert Page Down. >> so far, all that's normal. But here's what happens that is really weird, >> if >> I stay in the open email and don't get out of there immediately to go into >> the browser: Jaws begins to read downward in the email from the point >> where >> I clicked on that link, and won't stop unless I catch it, hit Control to >> shut Reed up, and then arrow back up to where I meant to leave the cursor >> at >> that link before proceeding down the email. Jaws just takes off on its own >> and tries to go on reading the rest of the email. I've never had this >> happen >> before, and it took me some time before I understood clearly what was up >> and >> learned to ignore the confusing distraction of hearing this stuff while >> trying to figure out if the Web page was loading. it's even caused me to >> lose my place in the email because, check this out, I might stop Jaws from >> reading the email, but then it starts talking about the opening Web page, >> as >> if I'd been taken to it the way you are when clicking on a link in an >> email >> launches the browser. But in these cases, the browser will already have >> been running, and in fact I'm still with the open email on screen in front >> of me. But nonetheless, Jaws is happily reporting that the page is 20 per >> cent, 24 per cent, 50 per cent, 100 per cent loaded and then that it has >> nine frames and 360 links. While I'm still actually in the open email. >> It's tricky for me to figure this out, but with my limited vision, I was >> able to look carefully at the screen and realize that what was on it was >> still Outlook Express with an open message. Until I figured it out, I was >> doing stuff like pressing Control Home to go to the top of the loading Web >> page, which sounded as if Jaws were just reading down it without my >> consent, >> already. And of course, it turned out I was pressing Control Home in the >> open email, and losing my place in it, which is a pain. >> So, I hope this sounds amusing, because I admit it's pretty goofy. But >> what >> I want to know is, has anybody else experienced this particular thing? Or >> is it just me, as we say? Just kidding. I don't think there's anything the >> matter with my system and its configuration, Jaws-wise. >> So? >> -- >> JFW related links: >> JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ >> Scripting mailing list: >> http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scripto graphy-the-jdh.com >> JFW List instructions: >> To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to >> jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. >> Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw >> If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or >> the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. 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