[jawsscripts] Re: msaa and jaws

  • From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:21:12 -0700

on the inability to contact them, try going directly through the company, 
and don't stop at the telephone peons, climb the ladder to supervisors and 
there bosses until you get something of decent usability!

regards,
inthane
proprietor, The Grab Bag,
for blind computer users and programmers
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
"own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!"
www.alacorncomputer.com
Owner: Agemtree
"merchants in fine facetted and cabochon gemstones"
www.agemtree.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donald Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:37 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: msaa and jaws


> Yes, Jeff.  I feel the same way.  In fact, I take it a step further.  I 
> have
> a beta application for viewing TV shows recorded on a DirecTV DVR on your
> computer.  When it is launched, a "My Playlist" of recorded shows is
> displayed on the screen with the same look and feel as on the TV.
> Unfortunately, the entire interface is some type of video overlay and
> invisible to JAWS.  I have been attempting to communicate to CyberLink
> and/or DirecTV about providing an alternate, standard  tree view  in a
> separate dialog by hotkey or provide access to user interface objects
> through MSAA objects. (yes, I had previously found and skimmed the MSAA 
> doc
> from the grab bag)  I find it strange there is no way to contact the
> developers of a beta product!  What good is a beta without feedback.  At
> this point, I have no idea if I could make sense of a proxy object of they
> provided one!
>
> Don Marang
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 6:50 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: msaa and jaws
>
>
>>I apologize, I am one of those who let it slip through the cracks, I have
>> information in .doc format on Microsoft MSAA on my grab bag site.
>>
>> if you need it translated into another format just ask, I can work with
>> almost... anything, .PDF being my one major lack at this time, though I
>> think I might, stress the might still be able to get it converted.
>>
>> HTH,
>> inthane
>> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>> for blind computer users and programmers
>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>> "own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!"
>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>> Owner: Agemtree
>> "merchants in fine facetted and cabochon gemstones"
>> www.agemtree.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 9:29 AM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: msaa and jaws
>>
>>
>>> Hi Don.
>>>
>>> no, I didn't get a nibble on that one yet. figured noone knew anything,
>>> or
>>> people just got busy etc. no problem. i usually persist more than once 
>>> if
>>> I
>>> reeeeally want an answer on stuff, <smile,>
>>> , as I just know how busy people get, and sometimes stuff just falls
>>> through
>>> the cracks somewhat eh.
>>> So thanks for responding.
>>>
>>> I would agree with you that  I bet too that stuff got heavily debugged 
>>> to
>>> make everything as sweet/accessible/tabbable as it now is in ITunes. 
>>> The
>>> whole MSAA deal though remains a bit of a mystery to me, and judging by
>>> the
>>> response to my question, perhaps it does to many others of us as well.
>>> i kinda  really think it would be a reeeeally wortwhile nut to crack
>>> though,
>>> do not you?  like even though this is obviously a scripting list, and
>>> it's
>>> everyone here's business to try and build scripts to make things talk
>>> better
>>> than they might otherwise do, knowing how to harness the power of what's
>>> built into MSAA and Jaws themselves, for more transparent, Out-of-box
>>> accessibility, surely would be a pretty cool skill to master, do you not
>>> think?.
>>> way beyond me of course but, ... yeah.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Donald Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 3:29 AM
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: msaa and jaws
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>
>>>> I had not seen any responses to your question.  Did you get an answer
>>>> yet?
>>>>
>>>> I have downloaded old reference material from Microsoft.  I don't have
>>>> any
>>>> experience in writing JAWS scripts that depend on MSAA.  I get the
>>>> feeling
>>>> that JAWS itself is supposed to do most of the heavy work in this area.
>>>> There are JAWS event functions to get called if MSAA changes status or
>>> sends
>>>> alerts I believe.  I don't think they needed any special scripts to 
>>>> make
>>>> iTunes work.  I am sure that they had to change / debug parts of their
>>> MSAA
>>>> code to  make FS and Apple consistent in their interpretation of MSAA.
>>>>
>>>> Don Marang
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:34 PM
>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: msaa and jaws
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > speaking on this subject further, has anyone out there perhaps put
>>>> > together,
>>>> > from their studies into this subject of how MSAA, and it's exposed
>>>> > controls,
>>>> > or whatever they're called, relate to jaws' hooks? and in what
>>>> > circumstances
>>>> > and priorities jaws might prefer any MSAA information any given
>>>> > element
>>>> > might have over some other attribute etc, in order to decide what and
>>> when
>>>> > to render information etc?
>>>> >
>>>> > I'd reeeally love to know if there's yet been some comprehensive
>>>> > documentation, or even anyone's scanty notes who may've done all the
>>> hard
>>>> > slogging to research this for their project, might be available for 
>>>> > us
>>> to
>>>> > get ahold of?
>>>> > I'm sure if anyone would care to share them, they would be of great
>>> value
>>>> > to
>>>> > many of us in the group, even if it had to be acompanied by all the
>>>> > normative disclaimers of, "this isn't official but it's what I think
>>> I've
>>>> > gleaned in my research," blah blah blah type thing?
>>>> >
>>>> > for example, In Itunes 8, i'd very much like to learn, exactly what
>>> apple
>>>> > and jaws are doing "under the hood," so to speak, in it's current
>>>> > renderings
>>>> > and identification of it's various elements within the ITunes
>>>> > interface
>>>> > etc.
>>>> > given that without jTunes installed, jaws has no actual defined
>>>> > scripts
>>>> > for
>>>> > ITunes 8, that I'm aware of.
>>>> >
>>>> > there's all kinds of things that are going on in there now that I'd
>>>> > love
>>>> > to
>>>> > understand how stuff has been made to speak, as it now does with
>>>> > apparently
>>>> > out-of-box venilla jaws , simply through MSAA
>>>> > monipulation/programming.
>>>> >
>>>> > For example, some of the tabStops now in there, actually read
>>> information,
>>>> > like elapsed time, of a playing track, then when spacebar is hit, 
>>>> > this
>>>> > alters it and causes the total time of the track to be spoken upon
>>>> > spacebar
>>>> > having been presssed, toggling it's output function. stuff like that?
>>>> >
>>>> > thoughts anyone?
>>>> >
>>>> > geoff c.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> > From: "Sean Farrow" <sean.farrow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 1:44 AM
>>>> > Subject: [jawsscripts] msaa and jaws
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> Hi:
>>>> >> I am in the process of helping an application vendor to improve thee
>>>> >> accessibility. If the vendor implements MSAA, do any settings need 
>>>> >> to
>>> be
>>>> >> made within jaws, or will JAWS use MSAA/IAccessible2 by default.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Any help appreciated.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sean.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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