[jawsscripts] Re: jawsscripts Digest V2 #245
- From: Ted Drake <7mary4@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:15:20 -0800
Hi Andy
I'm sorry about your confusion with the Quicken script updates with JAWS.
Intuitâs Quicken team has been working to increase the accessibility of
Quicken 15 for Windows. Youâll find many improvements in keyboard
functionality and object identification in the latest version of Quicken.
During this process, we realized the existing JAWS scripts could be updated
to further increase functionality. Please note, this was developed for
Quicken 15, but should work with prior versions. We are working with a
group of screen reader users to prioritize and solve existing accessibility
issues. I will contact you off-list for more information.
The following improvements were made via the updated JAWS script
a. Ability to read the list row data along with headers - On "Account
list", "Bills and Income reminders" and "Account register" screens (Ctrl +
1)
b. Ability to read field header and cell value on moving from one field to
other - On Account register screen
c. Removed the double reading of cell value in account register screen.
Limitations or Known issues with Quicken JAWS scripting
a. It can read only whatever is visible on the screen
b. Sometimes, it does read the next column value for current cell if
current cell doesn't have enough width (this is a limitation - due to small
column widths)
c. This script does not work if column header values are spanned across
rows (This is a limitation again as we write scripts based on co-ordinates)
d. It is not reading the balance column value on account register screen
Intuit thanks Dequeâs Sujasree Kurapati for her work on these scripts.
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:08 PM, FreeLists Mailing List Manager <
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>
> jawsscripts Digest Mon, 15 Dec 2014 Volume: 02 Issue: 245
>
> In This Issue:
> [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes script
> [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes script
> [jawsscripts] Re: executing random JavaScript
> [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes script
> [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> [jawsscripts] Quicken 2015
> [jawsscripts] Re: Quicken 2015
> [jawsscripts] Re: Forcing restoration of Virtual PC Cursor,
> [jawsscripts] Some of the incredibl amount of fixes in this
> [jawsscripts] Re: Forcing restoration of Virtual PC Cursor,
> [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes script
> [jawsscripts] Re: Forcing restoration of Virtual PC Cursor,
> [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> [jawsscripts] Re: Forcing restoration of Virtual PC Cursor,
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: "Lee" <lee.ramsden@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes script
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:17:36 -0000
>
> Hi Geoff,
>
> iTunes 12.0.1 and JAWS 15. It is odd because the edit boxes are still there
> after the checkboxes. However, according to JAWS as you tab they are read
> only. Just to be on the safe side I did try editing them anyway. It
> wouldn't
> let me put any figures in.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:45 AM
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: ITunes script
>
> > Oh far out! have they broken this? I'm in iTunes 10.7.0.21 still, with
> > jaws
> > 12.0.1186,
> > and this options dialog is *totally* accessible! each edit box for
> > changing
> > times shows up in tab order straight after each checkbox!
> >
> > Can you tell us what version of iTunes and jaws you are using for this?
> > Jaws+Control+V, should tell you iTunes version, since at leats here, the
> > "about iTunes" dialog *is* totally inaccessible to jaws/NVDA.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lee" <lee.ramsden@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:52 AM
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Itunes script
> >
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;
> >> charset="iso-8859-1"
> >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> >> All,
> >>
> >> Does anyone know if it is possible to edit a song in Itunes to change > >>
> >> the start and end times of the song? Or as anyone written a script that
> > >> can do this? If you pick a song, go to "get info" it brings up lots of >
> > >> >> info re the song. In there is options. If you click this you then tab
> > >> > >> through and you get a start time checkbox and an end time checkbox.
> > >> > >> totally accessible. However, you can't actually enter the edit box
> > >> to > >> change the times. Interestingly by using OCR you can then manage
> > >> on a > >> hit and miss basis to change these. I've found more miss than
> > >> hit mind.
> > >> So it should be possible to edit these. As my scripting knowledge is >
> > >> >> extremely limited I'm asking here. It maybe easy or hard. It also
> > >> maybe
> > >> there is another way of editing these that I can't work out. Any help >
> > >> >> would be appreciated.
> >> Regards Lee
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> __________�
> >>
> >> View the list's information and change your settings at
> >> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts
> >>
> >
> > __________�
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes script
> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 00:02:22 +1100
>
> Hi Lee, hmmm. Wow! Then it sounds like either iTunes has somehow reClassed
> these, or jaws has gone wonky somehow. so, hmmm. two things occur to me to
> ask.
>
> 1. I've never had much success with this so I am skeptical it'll do much,
> but have you tried the reClass feature in JAWS whilst focused on one of
> those readOnly edit controls?
>
> 2. what happens when you route JawsToPc whilst focused on one of the
> ReadOnly Edit boxes. Can you Read the figures there? either with
> Jaws+NumPad5, or CapsLock+K, or with the ReadCurrentLine key? Does moving
> leftRight arrow allow you to read the figures there character by character,
> either trialing left or right first? AS we don't know whether the jaws
> cursor will end up at the front or the rear of the number?
> and.
> 3. have you tried clicking numpad slash, or laptop CapsLock +8 I think it
> is, to see if this brings any joy and allows them to become proper editable
> boxes?
>
> 4. have you per chance tried navigating the boxes with NVDA Screen-reader?
> Just as another tester to see what it makes of these boxes?
>
>
> John have you got any thoughts? Can anyone else using the same version of
> iTunes/Jaws reproduce this for lee? I'm only using iTunes 10.7, and jaws
> 12, and am not willing to upgrade at this stage to iTunes 12, as I'm not
> being forced to yet.
>
> From: "Lee" <lee.ramsden@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:17 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes script
>
>
> > Hi Geoff,
> >
> > iTunes 12.0.1 and JAWS 15. It is odd because the edit boxes are still
> > there
> > after the checkboxes. However, according to JAWS as you tab they are read
> > only. Just to be on the safe side I did try editing them anyway. It
> > wouldn't
> > let me put any figures in.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:45 AM
> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: ITunes script
> >
> >> Oh far out! have they broken this? I'm in iTunes 10.7.0.21 still, with
> >> jaws
> >> 12.0.1186,
> >> and this options dialog is *totally* accessible! each edit box for
> >> changing
> >> times shows up in tab order straight after each checkbox!
> >>
> >> Can you tell us what version of iTunes and jaws you are using for this?
> >> Jaws+Control+V, should tell you iTunes version, since at leats here, the
> >> "about iTunes" dialog *is* totally inaccessible to jaws/NVDA.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Lee" <lee.ramsden@xxxxxxx>
> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:52 AM
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Itunes script
> >>
> >>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain;
> >>> charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone know if it is possible to edit a song in Itunes to change >
> >>> >>> the start and end times of the song? Or as anyone written a script
> >>> that
> >>> > >>> can do this? If you pick a song, go to "get info" it brings up lots
> >>> > >>> of
> > >>> info re the song. In there is options. If you click this you then tab >
> > >>> >>> through and you get a start time checkbox and an end time checkbox.
> > >>> > >>> totally accessible. However, you can't actually enter the edit
> > >>> box to > >>> change the times. Interestingly by using OCR you can then
> > >>> manage on a > >>> hit and miss basis to change these. I've found more
> > >>> miss than hit mind.
> >>> > >>> So it should be possible to edit these. As my scripting knowledge
> >>> > >>> is > >>> extremely limited I'm asking here. It maybe easy or hard.
> >>> > >>> It also maybe
> >>> > >>> there is another way of editing these that I can't work out. Any
> >>> > >>> help > >>> would be appreciated.
> >>> Regards Lee
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> __________�
> >>>
> >>> View the list's information and change your settings at
> >>> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts
> >>>
> >>
> >> __________�
> >>
> >> View the list's information and change your settings at
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> >
> > View the list's information and change your settings at
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> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Jonas Voll <jonas.voll@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: executing random JavaScript
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:07:36 +0000
>
> What is the name of the site?
>
> Jonas Voll
> Support Technician I
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> O: 316-425-7141
> F: 316-267-4312
> www.envisionus.com
>
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> blind and visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation,
> education and research.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Cohn
> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 11:20 AM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] executing random JavaScript
>
> Good Day,
> I have been giving consideration of scripting the Time Entry system that
> is being used by several government contracting firms.
>
> This tool uses <div> tags with no content text, but each div tag has a
> onClick=ClickToFocus(this) and the first day has an id of d0000 and the
> second day has a div of d00001. Also, vertically on top of these divs for
> text entry are divs that contain each day of the time period with id
> something like date00, date01, date02,etc
>
> I know the correct solution would be for the timesheet company to use GRID
> or Tables though considering that that ere is no data empty cells it is
> quite possible that the table would be ignored.
>
> So I am considering if one clinics enter when the JAWS focus is on an
> element in date01 could I get it to run the JavaScript ClickToFocus() with
> an argument pointing to the div with id=âd0001â? In case it complicates
> things at all, the site uses HTTPS protocol.
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
>
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> From: "Lee" <lee.ramsden@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes script
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:41:37 -0000
>
> Hi Geoff,
>
> Ok very odd indeed. Your a genius. Although, the way it finally has worked
> is to simply lift mouse click in the box. Weirdly, none of the navigation
> keys work. So routing anything to anything fails just comes up with "blank"
> but mouse clicking then does put you in the edit box. Thanks a million for
> your suggestions. Very much appreciated.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:02 PM
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes script
>
> > Hi Lee, hmmm. Wow! Then it sounds like either iTunes has somehow
> > reClassed
> > these, or jaws has gone wonky somehow. so, hmmm. two things occur to me
> > to
> > ask.
> >
> > 1. I've never had much success with this so I am skeptical it'll do much,
> > but have you tried the reClass feature in JAWS whilst focused on one of
> > those readOnly edit controls?
> >
> > 2. what happens when you route JawsToPc whilst focused on one of the
> > ReadOnly Edit boxes. Can you Read the figures there? either with
> > Jaws+NumPad5, or CapsLock+K, or with the ReadCurrentLine key? Does moving
> > leftRight arrow allow you to read the figures there character by
> > character,
> > either trialing left or right first? AS we don't know whether the jaws
> > cursor will end up at the front or the rear of the number?
> > and.
> > 3. have you tried clicking numpad slash, or laptop CapsLock +8 I think it
> > is, to see if this brings any joy and allows them to become proper
> > editable
> > boxes?
> >
> > 4. have you per chance tried navigating the boxes with NVDA
> Screen-reader?
> > Just as another tester to see what it makes of these boxes?
> >
> >
> > John have you got any thoughts? Can anyone else using the same version of
> > iTunes/Jaws reproduce this for lee? I'm only using iTunes 10.7, and
> jaws
> > 12, and am not willing to upgrade at this stage to iTunes 12, as I'm not
> > being forced to yet.
> >
> > From: "Lee" <lee.ramsden@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:17 PM
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes script
> >
> >
> >> Hi Geoff,
> >>
> >> iTunes 12.0.1 and JAWS 15. It is odd because the edit boxes are still
> >> there
> >> after the checkboxes. However, according to JAWS as you tab they are
> read
> >> only. Just to be on the safe side I did try editing them anyway. It
> >> wouldn't
> >> let me put any figures in.
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:45 AM
> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: ITunes script
> >>
> >>> Oh far out! have they broken this? I'm in iTunes 10.7.0.21 still, with
> >>> jaws
> >>> 12.0.1186,
> >>> and this options dialog is *totally* accessible! each edit box for
> >>> changing
> >>> times shows up in tab order straight after each checkbox!
> >>>
> >>> Can you tell us what version of iTunes and jaws you are using for this?
> >>> Jaws+Control+V, should tell you iTunes version, since at leats here,
> the
> >>> "about iTunes" dialog *is* totally inaccessible to jaws/NVDA.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Lee" <lee.ramsden@xxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:52 AM
> >>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Itunes script
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain;
> >>>> charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> >>>> All,
> >>>>
> >>>> Does anyone know if it is possible to edit a song in Itunes to change
> > >>>> the start and end times of the song? Or as anyone written a script
> that
> >>>> > >>>> can do this? If you pick a song, go to "get info" it brings up
> >>>> > >>>> lots of
> >>>> > >>>> info re the song. In there is options. If you click this you then
> >>>> > >>>> tab
> > >>>> through and you get a start time checkbox and an end time checkbox. >
> > >>>> >>>> totally accessible. However, you can't actually enter the edit
> > >>>> box to
> > >>>> change the times. Interestingly by using OCR you can then manage on a
> > >>>> hit and miss basis to change these. I've found more miss than hit
> mind.
> >>>> > >>>> So it should be possible to edit these. As my scripting knowledge
> >>>> > >>>> is > >>>> extremely limited I'm asking here. It maybe easy or
> >>>> > >>>> hard. It also
> maybe
> >>>> > >>>> there is another way of editing these that I can't work out. Any
> >>>> > >>>> help
> > >>>> would be appreciated.
> >>>> Regards Lee
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> __________�
> >>>>
> >>>> View the list's information and change your settings at
> >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts
> >>>>
> >>>
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> >>>
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>
> From: "John Robichaud" <John_Robichaud@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:01:57 -0500
>
> Bob,
> I'm using your code successfully under IE 11.
> Do you or anyone else have any idea why the method createTextRange() does
> not seem to work under IE11. I've used it for years with the HTML Body
> object. It provides a great way for selecting text on a page.
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:22 AM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
>
> If the content your trying to access has id's assigned to the elements then
> this can also be helpful:
>
> Script Test2 ()
> Var
> Object HTML, Object oElement,
> String sText
>
> Let HTML = IEGetCurrentDocument ()
> Let oElement = HTML.getElementById("ID of html tag")
> Let sText = oElement.innerText
>
> MessageBox (sText)
>
> EndScript
>
> This should just give the text included in a single html element with the
> matching id.
>
> Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Robichaud
> Sent: 12 December 2014 18:00
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
>
> Bob,
> Ignore my previous email. Your code does work in IE 9.
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:52 AM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
>
> With Jaws 15
> IE 11
> This will pop the whole page text in a message box.
>
> Script Test ()
> Var
> Object HTML,
> String sText
>
> Let HTML = IEGetCurrentDocument ()
> Let sText = HTML.body.innerText
>
> MessageBox (sText)
>
> EndScript
>
> Does that help at all?
>
> Bob
>
>
> On 12/12/2014 16:28, John Robichaud wrote:
> > Bob & Scott,
> > I've tried both of your suggestions without success. The situation is
> > critical now as an individuals employment counts on resolving this.
> > I've done some more experimenting and have discovered the following.
> > When using Internet Explorer 8 under Windows 7 with either Jaws 13 or
> > 15 the code I've reposted below successfully captures the text on a
> > web page. For this test I've used Freedom Scientifics home page but
> > the web page doesn't seem to be significant.
> > With either IE 9 or IE 11 the code returns nothing. I've been unable
> > to come up with any script code that can use the DOM to access text in
> > IE 9 or IE 11. Can use of the DOM be broken in Jaws as regards newer
> > versions of IE? If so, that's a very serious problem.
> > I'm deperate at this point - if anyone can demonstrate Jaws code that
> > successfully uses the DOM to access text in IE 9 or 11 please post it.
> > My code that works in IE 8 follows:
> >
> > String Function WorkSpaceText ()
> > var
> > object doc,
> > object win,
> > string sBuffer
> >
> > Let doc = ieGetCurrentDocument ()
> > Let win = ieGetUnrestrictedWindow(doc).document.body
> > Let sBuffer = win.createTextRange().text
> > return sBuffer
> > EndFunction
> >
> > John Robichaud
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Huey
> > (Redacted sender "smartinhuey@xxxxxxxxx" for DMARC)
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:48 PM
> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> >
> > The one thing I can tell you about DOM manipulation techniques within
> > JAWS scripts is that JAWS absolutely hates chaining the object methods
> > more than one layer deep. In a number of instances, I've found that
> > while the chain is conceptually sound, the function only works if I
> > walked the individual calls into variables. Example from below,
> > "oFrame.document.body.innerText" is a valid call in JavaScript, but in
> > JAWS script you may find it only works if you do it like this:
> >
> > let oDOM = ieGetCurrentDocument ()
> > let oFrame = oDOM.frames(2)
> > let oObject = oFrame.document
> > let oObject = oObject.body
> > let sText = oObject.innerText
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > On Wed, 12/10/14, Bob <temp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2014, 3:03 PM
> >
> > John
> >
> > I have no idea what the difference is but I
> > have always used
> > IeGetCurrentDocument when
> > playing with the DOM.
> > I would try something
> > like the following:
> >
> > String
> > Function GetFrameContents ()
> > Var
> > Object oDOM,
> >
> > Object oFrame,
> > String sFrameText
> >
> > Let oDOM > > ieGetCurrentDocuemnt ()
> > Let oFrame > > oDOM.frames(2)
> >
> > Let sFrameText > > oFrame.document.body.innerText
> >
> > Return sFrameText
> >
> > EndFunction
> >
> > You may need to fiddle with the document.body.
> > and the innerText to maybe
> > innerHTML or
> > outerText dependant on what sort of output you need.
> > You also need to take into account the origin
> > of the frame contents. To
> > increase security
> > modern browsers prevent scripts from running from a
> > different domain. If the frame contents are
> > from http://siteA.com and the
> > main page is http://siteB.com
> > you wont be able to access it.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of John Robichaud
> > Sent: 09
> > December 2014 21:06
> > To: JawScripts
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Problem capturing text
> > using DOM in IE 11
> >
> > I'm
> > having a problem capturing text from an HTML frame using the
> > DOM in IE
> > 11. This is Windows 7 and Jaws
> > 15.
> > The following code works with IE8 and
> > Jaws 13 but not with IE 11 and Jaws
> > 15:
> >
> >
> >
> > String Function WorkAreaText ()
> >
> > var
> >
> > object doc,
> >
> > object
> > TopWindow,
> >
> >
> > object win,
> >
> > object frames,
> >
> > string
> > sBuffer
> >
> >
> >
> > Let doc > > ie4GetCurrentDocument ()
> >
> >
> > Let topWindow = doc.parentWindow
> >
> > Let topWindow
> > = topWindow.top
> >
> >
> > Let frames = TopWindow.frames
> >
> > Let win > > ieGetUnrestrictedWindow(frames(2)).document.body
> >
> > Let sBuffer > > win.createTextRange().text
> >
> >
> > return sBuffer ;the text in the frame
> >
> > EndFunction
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I'd
> > appreciate any suggestions.
> >
> > Also can anyone explain the difference between
> > ie4GetCurrentDocument ()and
> > ieGetCurrentDocument ().
> >
> > Although I've successfully used the
> > function ieGetUnrestrictedWindow() many
> > times in the manner shown above I've never
> > seen a good explanation of it.
> > Can anyone
> > explain it?
> >
> > John
> > Robichaud
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> From: "Jonathan C. Cohn" <jon.c.cohn@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:13:54 -0500
>
> I donât know specifically, but IE11 is supposed to have replaced most of
> the IE specific methods with HTML5 / JS standard code. I have yet to
> appreciate how to obtain a set of methods, events and attributes that any
> specific application Classes are able to provide.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 17:01, John Robichaud <John_Robichaud@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > Bob,
> > I'm using your code successfully under IE 11.
> > Do you or anyone else have any idea why the method createTextRange()
> does
> > not seem to work under IE11. I've used it for years with the HTML Body
> > object. It provides a great way for selecting text on a page.
> > John
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
> > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:22 AM
> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> >
> > If the content your trying to access has id's assigned to the elements
> then
> > this can also be helpful:
> >
> > Script Test2 ()
> > Var
> > Object HTML, Object oElement,
> > String sText
> >
> > Let HTML = IEGetCurrentDocument ()
> > Let oElement = HTML.getElementById("ID of html tag")
> > Let sText = oElement.innerText
> >
> > MessageBox (sText)
> >
> > EndScript
> >
> > This should just give the text included in a single html element with the
> > matching id.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Robichaud
> > Sent: 12 December 2014 18:00
> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> >
> > Bob,
> > Ignore my previous email. Your code does work in IE 9.
> > John
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
> > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:52 AM
> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> >
> > With Jaws 15
> > IE 11
> > This will pop the whole page text in a message box.
> >
> > Script Test ()
> > Var
> > Object HTML,
> > String sText
> >
> > Let HTML = IEGetCurrentDocument ()
> > Let sText = HTML.body.innerText
> >
> > MessageBox (sText)
> >
> > EndScript
> >
> > Does that help at all?
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > On 12/12/2014 16:28, John Robichaud wrote:
> >> Bob & Scott,
> >> I've tried both of your suggestions without success. The situation is
> >> critical now as an individuals employment counts on resolving this.
> >> I've done some more experimenting and have discovered the following.
> >> When using Internet Explorer 8 under Windows 7 with either Jaws 13 or
> >> 15 the code I've reposted below successfully captures the text on a
> >> web page. For this test I've used Freedom Scientifics home page but
> >> the web page doesn't seem to be significant.
> >> With either IE 9 or IE 11 the code returns nothing. I've been unable
> >> to come up with any script code that can use the DOM to access text in
> >> IE 9 or IE 11. Can use of the DOM be broken in Jaws as regards newer
> >> versions of IE? If so, that's a very serious problem.
> >> I'm deperate at this point - if anyone can demonstrate Jaws code that
> >> successfully uses the DOM to access text in IE 9 or 11 please post it.
> >> My code that works in IE 8 follows:
> >>
> >> String Function WorkSpaceText ()
> >> var
> >> object doc,
> >> object win,
> >> string sBuffer
> >>
> >> Let doc = ieGetCurrentDocument ()
> >> Let win = ieGetUnrestrictedWindow(doc).document.body
> >> Let sBuffer = win.createTextRange().text
> >> return sBuffer
> >> EndFunction
> >>
> >> John Robichaud
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Huey
> >> (Redacted sender "smartinhuey@xxxxxxxxx" for DMARC)
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:48 PM
> >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> >>
> >> The one thing I can tell you about DOM manipulation techniques within
> >> JAWS scripts is that JAWS absolutely hates chaining the object methods
> >> more than one layer deep. In a number of instances, I've found that
> >> while the chain is conceptually sound, the function only works if I
> >> walked the individual calls into variables. Example from below,
> >> "oFrame.document.body.innerText" is a valid call in JavaScript, but in
> >> JAWS script you may find it only works if you do it like this:
> >>
> >> let oDOM = ieGetCurrentDocument ()
> >> let oFrame = oDOM.frames(2)
> >> let oObject = oFrame.document
> >> let oObject = oObject.body
> >> let sText = oObject.innerText
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------
> >> On Wed, 12/10/14, Bob <temp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2014, 3:03 PM
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> I have no idea what the difference is but I
> >> have always used
> >> IeGetCurrentDocument when
> >> playing with the DOM.
> >> I would try something
> >> like the following:
> >>
> >> String
> >> Function GetFrameContents ()
> >> Var
> >> Object oDOM,
> >>
> >> Object oFrame,
> >> String sFrameText
> >>
> >> Let oDOM > >> ieGetCurrentDocuemnt ()
> >> Let oFrame > >> oDOM.frames(2)
> >>
> >> Let sFrameText > >> oFrame.document.body.innerText
> >>
> >> Return sFrameText
> >>
> >> EndFunction
> >>
> >> You may need to fiddle with the document.body.
> >> and the innerText to maybe
> >> innerHTML or
> >> outerText dependant on what sort of output you need.
> >> You also need to take into account the origin
> >> of the frame contents. To
> >> increase security
> >> modern browsers prevent scripts from running from a
> >> different domain. If the frame contents are
> >> from http://siteA.com and the
> >> main page is http://siteB.com
> >> you wont be able to access it.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> On Behalf Of John Robichaud
> >> Sent: 09
> >> December 2014 21:06
> >> To: JawScripts
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Problem capturing text
> >> using DOM in IE 11
> >>
> >> I'm
> >> having a problem capturing text from an HTML frame using the
> >> DOM in IE
> >> 11. This is Windows 7 and Jaws
> >> 15.
> >> The following code works with IE8 and
> >> Jaws 13 but not with IE 11 and Jaws
> >> 15:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> String Function WorkAreaText ()
> >>
> >> var
> >>
> >> object doc,
> >>
> >> object
> >> TopWindow,
> >>
> >>
> >> object win,
> >>
> >> object frames,
> >>
> >> string
> >> sBuffer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Let doc > >> ie4GetCurrentDocument ()
> >>
> >>
> >> Let topWindow = doc.parentWindow
> >>
> >> Let topWindow
> >> = topWindow.top
> >>
> >>
> >> Let frames = TopWindow.frames
> >>
> >> Let win > >> ieGetUnrestrictedWindow(frames(2)).document.body
> >>
> >> Let sBuffer > >> win.createTextRange().text
> >>
> >>
> >> return sBuffer ;the text in the frame
> >>
> >> EndFunction
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'd
> >> appreciate any suggestions.
> >>
> >> Also can anyone explain the difference between
> >> ie4GetCurrentDocument ()and
> >> ieGetCurrentDocument ().
> >>
> >> Although I've successfully used the
> >> function ieGetUnrestrictedWindow() many
> >> times in the manner shown above I've never
> >> seen a good explanation of it.
> >> Can anyone
> >> explain it?
> >>
> >> John
> >> Robichaud
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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>
> From: "Andy B." <sonfire11@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Quicken 2015
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:52:36 -0500
>
> Fs released this update:
>
> http://www2.freedomscientific.com/downloads/JAWS/JAWS-whats-new.asp#Enhancem
> ents. It mentions that support for Quicken 2015 was added through the
> provided scripts from Intuit. Unfortunately, someone must have forgotten
> the
> scripts, Intuit never gave them to FS, or I am doing something wrong. I
> picked up a copy of Quicken 2015, but the newest versions of the scripts is
> from Quicken 2003. Quicken still acts inaccessible and completely unusable.
> What do I do now? Do I get my money back? I tried looking around on Google,
> but there is nothing anywhere about Quicken and JAWS working together,
> except for the 2003 version.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Quicken 2015
> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:18:40 +1100
>
> Have you called FS about it?
>
> Ask for eric directly I'd say.
>
> or try emailing him directly at:
> Edamery@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Andy B." <sonfire11@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:52 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Quicken 2015
>
>
> > Fs released this update:
> >
> http://www2.freedomscientific.com/downloads/JAWS/JAWS-whats-new.asp#Enhancem
> > ents. It mentions that support for Quicken 2015 was added through the
> > provided scripts from Intuit. Unfortunately, someone must have forgotten
> > the
> > scripts, Intuit never gave them to FS, or I am doing something wrong. I
> > picked up a copy of Quicken 2015, but the newest versions of the scripts
> > is
> > from Quicken 2003. Quicken still acts inaccessible and completely
> > unusable.
> > What do I do now? Do I get my money back? I tried looking around on
> > Google,
> > but there is nothing anywhere about Quicken and JAWS working together,
> > except for the 2003 version.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
> From: "Jim Snowbarger" <snowman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Forcing restoration of Virtual PC Cursor, from
> a cur
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:17:41 -0600
>
> I've been thinking about this one, but with no good solution. I run into
> it
> myself, especially with FireFox, where the PC cursor will get activated
> instead of virtual, and it is very difficult to go virtual again.
> I ask jaws@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, but was tol to call in for a tech
> support
> specialist. I haven't tried that yet.
> But, the only solutions I have found involve clicking on the page, but that
> is risky since I don't want to make a change to the page.
> I just re-ran DocumentLoadedEvent, but that did not address it.
> If I find a solution I'll sure post.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 8:48 PM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Forcing restoration of Virtual PC Cursor, from a
> cursor named FSDom edit2 cursor?
>
> Mighty Scripters.
> I'm trying to address a seemingly tiny, yet proving ridiculously formidable
> issue. Where for some obscure reason of which I am not as yet cognisent, a
> particular corporate customer service web app I'm dealing with, when this
> particular popup occurs, to what GetActiveCursorName, is calling a opup
> pweb app I've simply got to make virtual pc cursor active again, from being
> forced into the situation where a particular cursor type, which I've never
> heard of before, which GetActiveCursorName returns as, "FsDom Edit2
> Cursor,"
> is forced into being active by this particular web app I'm working with.
>
> obviously Jaws+Zed, doesn't do anything to restore focus to Virtual PC,
> and, short of clicking in the actual window, which although it indeed has
> focus for this particular wierd cursor-type, executing the RouteJawsToPc
> command, obviously does absolutely nothing to bring the jaws cursor
> anywhere
> near the element/window I need to click in!
>
> And, if I don't click in that window, and click anywhere else on the
> screen,
> just to wake up virtual pc focus, the popUp disappears.
>
> Any thoughtsmuch appreciated!
>
> Thanks much.
>
> Regards
>
> Geoff Chapman.
>
> __________�
>
> View the list's information and change your settings at
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>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Some of the incredibl amount of fixes in this
> latest jaw
> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:17:39 +1100
>
>
> Here are just a couple of the snippets of things fixed in this latest 1722
> update.
>
> Unfortunately there was no mention in the generic public enhancement fixes
> listing,
> of any of the Script stuff or crashes that Jim S has reported, as having
> been addressed. so who knows the status there. :(
>
> From:
>
> http://www2.freedomscientific.com/downloads/JAWS/JAWS-whats-new.asp#Enhancements
>
> . Resolved an issue encountered in multiple Web browsers on various Web
> pages where HTML source code was being read by JAWS in the virtual buffer,
> even
> though visually, the Web page looked normal.
> GC: I've been seeing this lately quite a bit even under jaws 12!
> Thought I was going mad!
>
> . Added support for Quicken 2015 using new scripts provided by Intuit.
> GC: someone has reported this not to currently be functional?
>
> . Resolved an issue where the wrong colors were being reported when
> pressing INSERT+5 in WordPad.
>
> . Pressing INSERT+T in WordPad in Windows 8.1 now speaks the window title
> as expected.
>
> . When using CTRL+WINDOWS Key+ALT+PAGE UP or CTRL+WINDOWS Key+ALT+PAGE
> DOWN to permanently increase or decrease the speech rate, addressed an
> issue where
> JAWS was not saying "faster" or "slower."
>
> . When installing an application that uses a Nullsoft Install System
> installer, an issue was resolved where JAWS would not announce the checked
> or unchecked
> state of items when asked to choose the components to install. This
> occurred on 64-bit versions of Windows.
>
> . In Windows 8.1, an issue was addressed where JAWS would not always speak
> the correct window title in Windows Explorer while navigating with TAB and
> SHIFT+TAB.
> GC: did they mean Alt+Tab and alt+Shift+Tab? or did they mean field label
> with tab and shift+Tab?in
> . When using Settings Center to configure the punctuation level for
> Vocalizer Expressive and SAPI 5 voices for languages other than English,
> resolved an
> issue where the current voice rate and volume were not retained.
>
> . Resolved a customer reported issue with JAWS not properly reading links
> that contain ARIA labels.
> . Improved JAWS performance when interacting with Web pages that use
> Microsoft Silverlight.
>
> . Updated the keyboard help messages for the INSERT+F8 keystroke which
> allows you to list and activate buttons on the Command Bar when enabled
> from the
> Toolbars submenu in the View Menu.
>
> . JAWS no longer sometimes says "section minus one, page minus one" when
> moving into the body of a new message in Outlook 2013.
> . Resolved an issue where pressing CTRL+SHIFT+M from an open message would
> not start a new message unless the Pass Key Through command (INSERT+3) was
> pressed
> first.
>
> . If an HTML e-mail message contains a bulleted list, resolved an issue
> where copying selected list items to the clipboard would copy the entire
> message
> instead.
>
> etc.
> wow!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Forcing restoration of Virtual PC Cursor, from
> a cur
> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:32:04 +1100
>
> Wow! thank you thank you Jim for this response!
> Even though it doesn't as yet provide a solid solution! :)
> It is just so comforting when someone else can at least reproduce/identify
> the actual issues!
>
> This is proving a real lengthy stumbling block for me here, towards
> resolving this client being able to access certain kinds of tasks in his
> workplace.
>
> And my question would be, is it a reasonable concern to express that the
> tech support specialist one might at least initialy encounter upon calling,
> might not have actually as much depth of knowledge/experience , as perhaps
> you would have yourself anyway on this?
>
> Is there any kind of known hierarchy of tech support specialist levels,
> that
> one can request at customer's desire?
>
> It's such a tricky problem to explain/demonstrate to people too!
> especially
> since one other scripter whose been providing assistance, cannot actually
> reproduce this at his end at all!
> Suggesting that it's some kind of weird timing interaction issue with the
> way the page is behaving?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Snowbarger" <snowman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 2:17 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Forcing restoration of Virtual PC Cursor, from a
> cursor named FSDom edit2 cursor?
>
>
> > I've been thinking about this one, but with no good solution. I run into
> > it
> > myself, especially with FireFox, where the PC cursor will get activated
> > instead of virtual, and it is very difficult to go virtual again.
> > I ask jaws@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, but was tol to call in for a tech
> > support
> > specialist. I haven't tried that yet.
> > But, the only solutions I have found involve clicking on the page, but
> > that
> > is risky since I don't want to make a change to the page.
> > I just re-ran DocumentLoadedEvent, but that did not address it.
> > If I find a solution I'll sure post.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
> > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 8:48 PM
> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Forcing restoration of Virtual PC Cursor, from a
> > cursor named FSDom edit2 cursor?
> >
> > Mighty Scripters.
> > I'm trying to address a seemingly tiny, yet proving ridiculously
> > formidable
> > issue. Where for some obscure reason of which I am not as yet cognisent,
> > a
> > particular corporate customer service web app I'm dealing with, when this
> > particular popup occurs, to what GetActiveCursorName, is calling a opup
> > pweb app I've simply got to make virtual pc cursor active again, from
> > being
> > forced into the situation where a particular cursor type, which I've
> never
> > heard of before, which GetActiveCursorName returns as, "FsDom Edit2
> > Cursor,"
> > is forced into being active by this particular web app I'm working with.
> >
> > obviously Jaws+Zed, doesn't do anything to restore focus to Virtual PC,
> > and, short of clicking in the actual window, which although it indeed has
> > focus for this particular wierd cursor-type, executing the RouteJawsToPc
> > command, obviously does absolutely nothing to bring the jaws cursor
> > anywhere
> > near the element/window I need to click in!
> >
> > And, if I don't click in that window, and click anywhere else on the
> > screen,
> > just to wake up virtual pc focus, the popUp disappears.
> >
> > Any thoughtsmuch appreciated!
> >
> > Thanks much.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Geoff Chapman.
> >
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> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes script
> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:40:58 +1100
>
> Wow Lee! Well thanks so much for the positive affirmation and response!
> So glad something of my blatherings proved helpful to you! That is
> incredibly sad also though, that jaws cursor cannot read anything in that
> dialog. Man that drives me crazy when we get totally broken OffScreenModel
> to that degree, that the screen is just invisible to jaws cursor.
>
> That is just one of my big fears in upgrading iTunes at all!
> Sometimes clicking on stuff is just the only ready answer available to wake
> up focus, and how can one just be reasonably expected to feel any degree of
> comfort/reassurance, in just performing a routeJawsToPc and blindly
> leftClicking there to hope for the best!
>
> Yet, that seems to be what we are reduced to sometimes.
> disconcerting to say the least.
> But I'm real glad it worked for you.
> Sounds then like an iTunes focus issue to me. like that they aren't
> properly allowing tabbing focus to the edit boxes.
> Probably not jolly tested. Since who else tabs between controls!
> John Martin have you perhaps got any lead-ins to iTunes developers to alert
> them of this issue?
>
> Lee if you have inclination, I reckon it'd be worth downloading, installing
> and trialing NVDA on this, just to see whether it has the same problem.
> Although I can't yet provide you with the RouteMouseToFocus item command in
> there, as I keep forgetting it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lee" <lee.ramsden@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 5:41 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes script
>
>
> >
> > Hi Geoff,
> >
> > Ok very odd indeed. Your a genius. Although, the way it finally has
> worked
> > is to simply lift mouse click in the box. Weirdly, none of the navigation
> > keys work. So routing anything to anything fails just comes up with
> > "blank"
> > but mouse clicking then does put you in the edit box. Thanks a million
> for
> > your suggestions. Very much appreciated.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:02 PM
> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes script
> >
> >> Hi Lee, hmmm. Wow! Then it sounds like either iTunes has somehow
> >> reClassed
> >> these, or jaws has gone wonky somehow. so, hmmm. two things occur to me
> >> to
> >> ask.
> >>
> >> 1. I've never had much success with this so I am skeptical it'll do
> much,
> >> but have you tried the reClass feature in JAWS whilst focused on one of
> >> those readOnly edit controls?
> >>
> >> 2. what happens when you route JawsToPc whilst focused on one of the
> >> ReadOnly Edit boxes. Can you Read the figures there? either with
> >> Jaws+NumPad5, or CapsLock+K, or with the ReadCurrentLine key? Does
> moving
> >> leftRight arrow allow you to read the figures there character by
> >> character,
> >> either trialing left or right first? AS we don't know whether the jaws
> >> cursor will end up at the front or the rear of the number?
> >> and.
> >> 3. have you tried clicking numpad slash, or laptop CapsLock +8 I think
> it
> >> is, to see if this brings any joy and allows them to become proper
> >> editable
> >> boxes?
> >>
> >> 4. have you per chance tried navigating the boxes with NVDA
> >> Screen-reader?
> >> Just as another tester to see what it makes of these boxes?
> >>
> >>
> >> John have you got any thoughts? Can anyone else using the same version
> of
> >> iTunes/Jaws reproduce this for lee? I'm only using iTunes 10.7, and
> >> jaws
> >> 12, and am not willing to upgrade at this stage to iTunes 12, as I'm not
> >> being forced to yet.
> >>
> >> From: "Lee" <lee.ramsden@xxxxxxx>
> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:17 PM
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes script
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Geoff,
> >>>
> >>> iTunes 12.0.1 and JAWS 15. It is odd because the edit boxes are still
> >>> there
> >>> after the checkboxes. However, according to JAWS as you tab they are
> >>> read
> >>> only. Just to be on the safe side I did try editing them anyway. It
> >>> wouldn't
> >>> let me put any figures in.
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:45 AM
> >>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: ITunes script
> >>>
> >>>> Oh far out! have they broken this? I'm in iTunes 10.7.0.21 still, with
> >>>> jaws
> >>>> 12.0.1186,
> >>>> and this options dialog is *totally* accessible! each edit box for
> >>>> changing
> >>>> times shows up in tab order straight after each checkbox!
> >>>>
> >>>> Can you tell us what version of iTunes and jaws you are using for
> this?
> >>>> Jaws+Control+V, should tell you iTunes version, since at leats here,
> >>>> the
> >>>> "about iTunes" dialog *is* totally inaccessible to jaws/NVDA.
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Lee" <lee.ramsden@xxxxxxx>
> >>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:52 AM
> >>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Itunes script
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;
> >>>>> charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> >>>>> All,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Does anyone know if it is possible to edit a song in Itunes to change
> >>>>> > >>>>> the start and end times of the song? Or as anyone written a
> >>>>> > >>>>> script
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> > >>>>> can do this? If you pick a song, go to "get info" it brings up
> >>>>> > >>>>> lots
> of
> >>>>> > >>>>> info re the song. In there is options. If you click this you
> >>>>> > >>>>> then tab
> >>>>> > >>>>> through and you get a start time checkbox and an end time
> >>>>> > >>>>> checkbox. > >>>>> totally accessible. However, you can't
> >>>>> > >>>>> actually enter the edit box to
> >>>>> > >>>>> change the times. Interestingly by using OCR you can then
> >>>>> > >>>>> manage on a
> >>>>> > >>>>> hit and miss basis to change these. I've found more miss than
> >>>>> > >>>>> hit
> >>>>> mind.
> >>>>> > >>>>> So it should be possible to edit these. As my scripting
> >>>>> > >>>>> knowledge is
> > >>>>> extremely limited I'm asking here. It maybe easy or hard. It also
> >>>>> maybe
> >>>>> > >>>>> there is another way of editing these that I can't work out.
> >>>>> > >>>>> Any help
> >>>>> > >>>>> would be appreciated.
> >>>>> Regards Lee
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> __________�
> >>>>>
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>
> From: "Jim Snowbarger" <snowman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Forcing restoration of Virtual PC Cursor, from
> a cur
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:48:20 -0600
>
> In my case, I think I can reproduce it. It is on an internal corporate
> page
> that I cant' share. But, all I have to do is to alt+tab away from Firefox
> to look up something. And, when I alt tab back, I'm stuck in PC cursor
> land.
> I need to try the call this week, and see what happens.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:32 PM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Forcing restoration of Virtual PC Cursor, from a
> cursor named FSDom edit2 cursor?
>
> Wow! thank you thank you Jim for this response!
> Even though it doesn't as yet provide a solid solution! :) It is just so
> comforting when someone else can at least reproduce/identify the actual
> issues!
>
> This is proving a real lengthy stumbling block for me here, towards
> resolving this client being able to access certain kinds of tasks in his
> workplace.
>
> And my question would be, is it a reasonable concern to express that the
> tech support specialist one might at least initialy encounter upon calling,
> might not have actually as much depth of knowledge/experience , as perhaps
> you would have yourself anyway on this?
>
> Is there any kind of known hierarchy of tech support specialist levels,
> that
> one can request at customer's desire?
>
> It's such a tricky problem to explain/demonstrate to people too!
> especially
> since one other scripter whose been providing assistance, cannot actually
> reproduce this at his end at all!
> Suggesting that it's some kind of weird timing interaction issue with the
> way the page is behaving?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Snowbarger" <snowman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 2:17 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Forcing restoration of Virtual PC Cursor, from a
> cursor named FSDom edit2 cursor?
>
>
> > I've been thinking about this one, but with no good solution. I run
> > into it myself, especially with FireFox, where the PC cursor will get
> > activated instead of virtual, and it is very difficult to go virtual
> > again.
> > I ask jaws@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, but was tol to call in for a tech
> > support specialist. I haven't tried that yet.
> > But, the only solutions I have found involve clicking on the page, but
> > that is risky since I don't want to make a change to the page.
> > I just re-ran DocumentLoadedEvent, but that did not address it.
> > If I find a solution I'll sure post.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
> > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 8:48 PM
> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Forcing restoration of Virtual PC Cursor, from a
> > cursor named FSDom edit2 cursor?
> >
> > Mighty Scripters.
> > I'm trying to address a seemingly tiny, yet proving ridiculously
> > formidable
> > issue. Where for some obscure reason of which I am not as yet cognisent,
> > a
> > particular corporate customer service web app I'm dealing with, when this
> > particular popup occurs, to what GetActiveCursorName, is calling a opup
> > pweb app I've simply got to make virtual pc cursor active again, from
> > being
> > forced into the situation where a particular cursor type, which I've
> never
> > heard of before, which GetActiveCursorName returns as, "FsDom Edit2
> > Cursor,"
> > is forced into being active by this particular web app I'm working with.
> >
> > obviously Jaws+Zed, doesn't do anything to restore focus to Virtual PC,
> > and, short of clicking in the actual window, which although it indeed has
> > focus for this particular wierd cursor-type, executing the RouteJawsToPc
> > command, obviously does absolutely nothing to bring the jaws cursor
> > anywhere
> > near the element/window I need to click in!
> >
> > And, if I don't click in that window, and click anywhere else on the
> > screen,
> > just to wake up virtual pc focus, the popUp disappears.
> >
> > Any thoughtsmuch appreciated!
> >
> > Thanks much.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Geoff Chapman.
> >
> > __________�
> >
> > View the list's information and change your settings at
> > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "John Robichaud" <John_Robichaud@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 23:03:00 -0500
>
> Jonathan
> I've been searching on the net and you have it right. Starting with IE 11
> MicroSoft has eliminated createTextRange() as a method for the Body object.
> Apparently they found that method presents a security vulnerability.
> That's
> a shame, itâs a very useful method. I haven't yet figured out
> alternatives.
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Cohn
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 5:14 PM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
>
> I donât know specifically, but IE11 is supposed to have replaced most of
> the
> IE specific methods with HTML5 / JS standard code. I have yet to appreciate
> how to obtain a set of methods, events and attributes that any specific
> application Classes are able to provide.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 17:01, John Robichaud <John_Robichaud@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > Bob,
> > I'm using your code successfully under IE 11.
> > Do you or anyone else have any idea why the method createTextRange()
> > does not seem to work under IE11. I've used it for years with the
> > HTML Body object. It provides a great way for selecting text on a page.
> > John
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
> > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:22 AM
> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> >
> > If the content your trying to access has id's assigned to the elements
> > then this can also be helpful:
> >
> > Script Test2 ()
> > Var
> > Object HTML, Object oElement,
> > String sText
> >
> > Let HTML = IEGetCurrentDocument () Let oElement > >
> > HTML.getElementById("ID of html tag")
> > Let sText = oElement.innerText
> >
> > MessageBox (sText)
> >
> > EndScript
> >
> > This should just give the text included in a single html element with
> > the matching id.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Robichaud
> > Sent: 12 December 2014 18:00
> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> >
> > Bob,
> > Ignore my previous email. Your code does work in IE 9.
> > John
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
> > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:52 AM
> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> >
> > With Jaws 15
> > IE 11
> > This will pop the whole page text in a message box.
> >
> > Script Test ()
> > Var
> > Object HTML,
> > String sText
> >
> > Let HTML = IEGetCurrentDocument ()
> > Let sText = HTML.body.innerText
> >
> > MessageBox (sText)
> >
> > EndScript
> >
> > Does that help at all?
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > On 12/12/2014 16:28, John Robichaud wrote:
> >> Bob & Scott,
> >> I've tried both of your suggestions without success. The situation is
> >> critical now as an individuals employment counts on resolving this.
> >> I've done some more experimenting and have discovered the following.
> >> When using Internet Explorer 8 under Windows 7 with either Jaws 13 or
> >> 15 the code I've reposted below successfully captures the text on a
> >> web page. For this test I've used Freedom Scientifics home page but
> >> the web page doesn't seem to be significant.
> >> With either IE 9 or IE 11 the code returns nothing. I've been unable
> >> to come up with any script code that can use the DOM to access text
> >> in IE 9 or IE 11. Can use of the DOM be broken in Jaws as regards
> >> newer versions of IE? If so, that's a very serious problem.
> >> I'm deperate at this point - if anyone can demonstrate Jaws code that
> >> successfully uses the DOM to access text in IE 9 or 11 please post it.
> >> My code that works in IE 8 follows:
> >>
> >> String Function WorkSpaceText ()
> >> var
> >> object doc,
> >> object win,
> >> string sBuffer
> >>
> >> Let doc = ieGetCurrentDocument ()
> >> Let win = ieGetUnrestrictedWindow(doc).document.body
> >> Let sBuffer = win.createTextRange().text
> >> return sBuffer
> >> EndFunction
> >>
> >> John Robichaud
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Huey
> >> (Redacted sender "smartinhuey@xxxxxxxxx" for DMARC)
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:48 PM
> >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> >>
> >> The one thing I can tell you about DOM manipulation techniques within
> >> JAWS scripts is that JAWS absolutely hates chaining the object
> >> methods more than one layer deep. In a number of instances, I've
> >> found that while the chain is conceptually sound, the function only
> >> works if I walked the individual calls into variables. Example from
> >> below, "oFrame.document.body.innerText" is a valid call in
> >> JavaScript, but in JAWS script you may find it only works if you do it
> like this:
> >>
> >> let oDOM = ieGetCurrentDocument ()
> >> let oFrame = oDOM.frames(2)
> >> let oObject = oFrame.document
> >> let oObject = oObject.body
> >> let sText = oObject.innerText
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------
> >> On Wed, 12/10/14, Bob <temp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2014, 3:03 PM
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> I have no idea what the difference is but I have always used
> >> IeGetCurrentDocument when playing with the DOM.
> >> I would try something
> >> like the following:
> >>
> >> String
> >> Function GetFrameContents ()
> >> Var
> >> Object oDOM,
> >>
> >> Object oFrame,
> >> String sFrameText
> >>
> >> Let oDOM > >> ieGetCurrentDocuemnt ()
> >> Let oFrame > >> oDOM.frames(2)
> >>
> >> Let sFrameText > >> oFrame.document.body.innerText
> >>
> >> Return sFrameText
> >>
> >> EndFunction
> >>
> >> You may need to fiddle with the document.body.
> >> and the innerText to maybe
> >> innerHTML or
> >> outerText dependant on what sort of output you need.
> >> You also need to take into account the origin of the frame
> >> contents. To increase security modern browsers prevent scripts from
> >> running from a different domain. If the frame contents are from
> >> http://siteA.com and the main page is http://siteB.com you wont be
> >> able to access it.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> On Behalf Of John Robichaud
> >> Sent: 09
> >> December 2014 21:06
> >> To: JawScripts
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Problem capturing text using DOM in IE 11
> >>
> >> I'm
> >> having a problem capturing text from an HTML frame using the DOM in
> >> IE 11. This is Windows 7 and Jaws 15.
> >> The following code works with IE8 and Jaws 13 but not with IE 11
> >> and Jaws
> >> 15:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> String Function WorkAreaText ()
> >>
> >> var
> >>
> >> object doc,
> >>
> >> object
> >> TopWindow,
> >>
> >>
> >> object win,
> >>
> >> object frames,
> >>
> >> string
> >> sBuffer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Let doc > >> ie4GetCurrentDocument ()
> >>
> >>
> >> Let topWindow = doc.parentWindow
> >>
> >> Let topWindow
> >> = topWindow.top
> >>
> >>
> >> Let frames = TopWindow.frames
> >>
> >> Let win > >> ieGetUnrestrictedWindow(frames(2)).document.body
> >>
> >> Let sBuffer > >> win.createTextRange().text
> >>
> >>
> >> return sBuffer ;the text in the frame
> >>
> >> EndFunction
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'd
> >> appreciate any suggestions.
> >>
> >> Also can anyone explain the difference between
> >> ie4GetCurrentDocument ()and
> >> ieGetCurrentDocument ().
> >>
> >> Although I've successfully used the
> >> function ieGetUnrestrictedWindow() many
> >> times in the manner shown above I've never
> >> seen a good explanation of it.
> >> Can anyone
> >> explain it?
> >>
> >> John
> >> Robichaud
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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>
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Forcing restoration of Virtual PC Cursor, from
> a cur
> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:07:57 +1100
>
> Ok Jim. That indeed sounds helpful then.
> BTW, have you per chance set up a custom script just to run the
> SayString (GetActiveCursorName ())
> deal, to see what it returns at this point? I.e. whether your situation
> also, is stuck in what it believes to be some kind of, FSDom Edit cursor,
> type situation? as mine is here?
>
> I haven't yet gone to the testing of actually hitting Alt+Delete, in my
> situation, to check what that returns manually, or further, to establish
> whether that's the function which that builtin shortcut key runs anyway.
> And I can't readily test it with the tools I have here, which is part of my
> problem in resolution.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Snowbarger" <snowman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 2:48 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Forcing restoration of Virtual PC Cursor, from a
> cursor named FSDom edit2 cursor?
>
>
> > In my case, I think I can reproduce it. It is on an internal corporate
> > page
> > that I cant' share. But, all I have to do is to alt+tab away from
> Firefox
> > to look up something. And, when I alt tab back, I'm stuck in PC cursor
> > land.
> > I need to try the call this week, and see what happens.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
> > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:32 PM
> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Forcing restoration of Virtual PC Cursor, from
> > a
> > cursor named FSDom edit2 cursor?
> >
> > Wow! thank you thank you Jim for this response!
> > Even though it doesn't as yet provide a solid solution! :) It is just so
> > comforting when someone else can at least reproduce/identify the actual
> > issues!
> >
> > This is proving a real lengthy stumbling block for me here, towards
> > resolving this client being able to access certain kinds of tasks in his
> > workplace.
> >
> > And my question would be, is it a reasonable concern to express that the
> > tech support specialist one might at least initialy encounter upon
> > calling,
> > might not have actually as much depth of knowledge/experience , as
> perhaps
> > you would have yourself anyway on this?
> >
> > Is there any kind of known hierarchy of tech support specialist levels,
> > that
> > one can request at customer's desire?
> >
> > It's such a tricky problem to explain/demonstrate to people too!
> > especially
> > since one other scripter whose been providing assistance, cannot actually
> > reproduce this at his end at all!
> > Suggesting that it's some kind of weird timing interaction issue with the
> > way the page is behaving?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Snowbarger" <snowman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 2:17 PM
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Forcing restoration of Virtual PC Cursor, from
> > a
> > cursor named FSDom edit2 cursor?
> >
> >
> >> I've been thinking about this one, but with no good solution. I run
> >> into it myself, especially with FireFox, where the PC cursor will get
> >> activated instead of virtual, and it is very difficult to go virtual
> >> again.
> >> I ask jaws@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, but was tol to call in for a tech
> >> support specialist. I haven't tried that yet.
> >> But, the only solutions I have found involve clicking on the page, but
> >> that is risky since I don't want to make a change to the page.
> >> I just re-ran DocumentLoadedEvent, but that did not address it.
> >> If I find a solution I'll sure post.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
> >> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 8:48 PM
> >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Forcing restoration of Virtual PC Cursor, from a
> >> cursor named FSDom edit2 cursor?
> >>
> >> Mighty Scripters.
> >> I'm trying to address a seemingly tiny, yet proving ridiculously
> >> formidable
> >> issue. Where for some obscure reason of which I am not as yet
> cognisent,
> >> a
> >> particular corporate customer service web app I'm dealing with, when
> this
> >> particular popup occurs, to what GetActiveCursorName, is calling a opup
> >> pweb app I've simply got to make virtual pc cursor active again, from
> >> being
> >> forced into the situation where a particular cursor type, which I've
> >> never
> >> heard of before, which GetActiveCursorName returns as, "FsDom Edit2
> >> Cursor,"
> >> is forced into being active by this particular web app I'm working with.
> >>
> >> obviously Jaws+Zed, doesn't do anything to restore focus to Virtual PC,
> >> and, short of clicking in the actual window, which although it indeed
> has
> >> focus for this particular wierd cursor-type, executing the RouteJawsToPc
> >> command, obviously does absolutely nothing to bring the jaws cursor
> >> anywhere
> >> near the element/window I need to click in!
> >>
> >> And, if I don't click in that window, and click anywhere else on the
> >> screen,
> >> just to wake up virtual pc focus, the popUp disappears.
> >>
> >> Any thoughtsmuch appreciated!
> >>
> >> Thanks much.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Geoff Chapman.
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