[jawsscripts] Re: The problematic highlight bar non-reading of an HTML-based "dropDown," that isn't identified as an editCombo box?

  • From: Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 16:02:33 -0700

Have u tried the utility homerow keys to see if there's any list of
objects, etc.?

On 12/1/13, Geoff Chapman <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Thanks heaps for the idea Raymand.
> Unfortunately, a manual say line doesn't work either here, as Jaws just
> keeps track of the editing cursor, and thus a sayLine just reads the edit
> box, plus whatever partial text might be in there.
>
> But I do so appreciate the ideas!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Raymond Jansen" <rh.jansen@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 9:31 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: The problematic highlight bar non-reading of an
> HTML-based "dropDown," that isn't identified as an editCombo box?
>
>
>> Hi Geoff,
>>
>> what I once did in such a situation was modifying the SayNextLine and
>> SayPriorLine scripts in the Internet Explorer scripts.
>> Before the If-statement that checks the Formsmode, I put my own
>> If-statement checking for the Formsmode and the specific control (which
>> was unique in my situation) and when the condition was true, I did a
>> Typekey with an ArrowDown followed by a Pause statement and a Sayline,
>> which did work for me; but you could also try a SayField. At the end of my
>>
>> If-statement I put a Return to stop ferther processing.
>>
>> I don't know if it will work for you, but you can give it a try.
>>
>> Cheers Raymond
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Op 1 dec. 2013 om 22:40 heeft "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> het
>>>
>>> volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>> Hmmm.
>>> Thanks much Jackie and Jim/everyone  for your continued helps and ideas
>>> here. Keep'em coming! they all help me to think.
>>>
>>> First, Interesting question Jackie.
>>> re the source code revealing the highlight color?
>>> But, even if that were the case, and I knew how to get that information
>>> out
>>> of the source code, how on earth might one translate whatever that code
>>> was
>>> to represent them, into something Jaws would understand?  To attempt to
>>> track anyway?
>>>
>>> I.e. The person I'm working with at the company also asked about maybe
>>> installing some third Party software that would flip back perhaps a more
>>> accurate rendering of the colour of the text, or maybe pixels I'm not
>>> sure,
>>> that the mouse was over etc.  But, my feeling was that this wouldn't be
>>> worth pursuing at all, because of the fact that, In my perhaps infantile
>>> thinking, one would need to equate whatever values that code would flip
>>> back, into something meanigful to jaws? And I just didn't have a clue
>>> how
>>> that might be done.
>>>
>>>
>>> The problem though seems to be even deeper than it just not tracking the
>>> highlight color though, because, and I can't be sure of this and I know
>>> it's
>>> kinda pretty germane to solving the problem, so I do need to double Check
>>>
>>> it
>>> when I'm next able to,but, from my mmemory, I'm pretty sure I did flip
>>> Screen echo to, "all," just to identify whether it was merely a tracking
>>> highlight issue, or whether jaws wasn't even seeing any text altering
>>> onScreen as the highlight bar was moved up and down this list at all!
>>> and,
>>> unfortunately, again just from memory, it seemed like that indeed was
>>> the
>>> case!
>>> Viz, even when screenEcho is set to all, and where one might normatively
>>> expect the text that becomes unhighlighted to be spoken, as well as the
>>> new
>>> Text being highlighted etc, as I've seen before in these cases,
>>> I don't believe I was hearing anything from jaws at all in that
>>> circumstance!
>>>
>>> Which, as I write this out for discussion now, sort of suggests to me
>>> that
>>> NewTextEvent isn't even picking anything up as being redrawn onScreen in
>>> this kind of situation?
>>>
>>> But, if a highlight bar is moving, I had previously kinda thought this
>>> was a
>>> manditory occurrance?  Or could some more direct ScreenWriting mechanism
>>> perhaps be being used that doesn't get piped through the NewTextEvent
>>> routine?
>>>
>>> Hmmm, I guess what I should jolly well do when I'm next able to, is put
>>> a
>>> SayString in NewTextEvent, and see whether indeed it is getting fired at
>>>
>>> all
>>> by the arrowPresses and highlight bar movement in this particular
>>> control.
>>> Why didn't I think of that before!
>>> Does anyone feel that determining this, might provide some kind of
>>> better
>>> handle for a solution though?
>>>
>>> Jim's restatement of the issue is also appreciated and helpful though.
>>> Because that's exactly one of the things I was thinking might provide us
>>> with a solution, or might be blocking jaws from noticing Highlights,
>>> viz,
>>> the presence of the normal editing Cursor Caret, that it's obviously
>>> focusing on at the exclusion of doing anything else.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 2:14 PM
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: The problematic highlight bar non-reading of
>>> an
>>> HTML-based "dropDown," that isn't identified as an editCombo box?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lavender is more of a purple color than it is blue, Geoff, which means
>>>> equally little to u, I'm sure. Might the source code of the css reveal
>>>> the highlight colors?
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/29/13, Geoff Chapman <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Hi everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> NO joy with any of the suggestions tried so far, except for Arder's
>>>>> below.
>>>>> haven't gotten to try that one yet, so keep any other suggestions on
>>>>> this
>>>>> coming.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jackie when I get a remote login to this system, I'll be able to trial
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> few
>>>>>
>>>>> more things like HSC's GetColorAtPoint functionality, as opposed to
>>>>> the
>>>>> Jaws+TopRow5 Get TextColor Foreground/Bakground, the dude I'm working
>>>>> with
>>>>> was certainly surprised when what he thought was a blue highlight bar,
>>>>> got
>>>>> defined as Grey13 on lavender.
>>>>> Although I thought lavender was a type of blue, but ... hey, what would
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim tested with the Jaws cursor tucked firmly out of the way, and
>>>>> invisible
>>>>>
>>>>> cursor on highlighted text just with focus etc, still thinks it's
>>>>> grey13
>>>>> on
>>>>>
>>>>> Lavender, whereas the non-highlighted text in the list is identified
>>>>> as
>>>>> Grey13 on white. so we tried setting the custom highlight as anything
>>>>> on
>>>>> Lavender, since it seemed to us that it was maybe the background that
>>>>> was
>>>>> doing the highlighting, but, still no joy. jaws doesn't track it as
>>>>> highlight is moved up and down.
>>>>> Sigh.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Artur Räpp" <rtr@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 5:36 PM
>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: The problematic highlight bar non-reading
>>>>> of
>>>>> an
>>>>> HTML-based "dropDown," that isn't identified as an editCombo box?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On a webpage I found following solution with a "edit-combo"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I moved to edit field (edit part of the edit-combo), turned off the
>>>>>> virtual cursor, typed some letter, pressed once down arrow, pressed
>>>>>> tab
>>>>>> once, landed on the listbox part and then moved down with down arrow.
>>>>>> After I found what I needed, I turned virtual cursor again on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On another such HTML editcombo I didn't found any solution and copied
>>>>>> the choices into a file and copi-pasted from the file the right
>>>>>> choice
>>>>>> into edit field. With the full text system chose the right choice.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> coices were static. To get the choices, I used ins+ctrl+shft+f1
>>>>>> keyboard
>>>>>> command (Advanced Element Information).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> my 0.01$.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Artur
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 29.11.2013 2:00, Geoff Chapman kirjutas:
>>>>>>> Hi Scripters.
>>>>>>> Ok, in relation to my query the other day, about a particular
>>>>>>> so-called
>>>>>>> "drop-down,"type element on a particular client's workPlace site
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> Jaws will not handle correctly,
>>>>>>> I now have more information about this, and would very much
>>>>>>> appreciate
>>>>>>> anyone's views on where I might even start to solve this problem, as
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a dealBreaker for this poarticular employed person, re being able to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> his job on the new system the company is rolling out in February.
>>>>>>> It's a bit of a lengthy query, but I'd appreciate those who're able,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> stick with me whilst I try and elaborate what, I, think is so far
>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>> on here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok So, first, this is an html-based
>>>>>>> system, and everything else here seems to be beautifully accessible,
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the fields are all labelled properly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Second, I've turned off AutoForms mode, as I find this mode very
>>>>>>> problematic and just annoying to navigate, after years of using the
>>>>>>> manual forms mode modality.
>>>>>>> Also trying to eliminate as much of the so-called automatic smarts,
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> possible, to eliminate unknown and possibly erroneous behaviours
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However there's this one particular totally problematic
>>>>>>> control-type/element, which consists of initially what Jaws
>>>>>>> identifies
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a straight ahead, edit, box.  However, this particular element,
>>>>>>> operates
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in practise, actually, more like what I understand to be often
>>>>>>> defined
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jaws as an "EditCombo", control.
>>>>>>> Whereby, as you start typing into the edit part of the field, a
>>>>>>> "drop-down" list appears,matching the entries it finds related to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> letters in the text query entered so far.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Additionally, the field visually contains a little downpointing
>>>>>>> graphical triangle, which sighted users may click on to drop down
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> unfiltered list, and visually view it that way, if preferred, with
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> text query filtering applied.)
>>>>>>> But which is, not, activated at all by pressing Alt+DownArrow, as
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> would expect if Jaws handled the element as a proper EditCombo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now. The major problem is, that even though pressing downArrow, does
>>>>>>> start to navigate the entries in this field, placing what it
>>>>>>> identifies
>>>>>>> as a Grey13 on Lavender highlight highlight color over each selected
>>>>>>> entry,
>>>>>>> Jaws does not read this highlight,, because it's locked into the
>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>> that there's presumably still an iBeam edit cursor sitting in the
>>>>>>> edit
>>>>>>> box the whole time. So it just keeps reReading, "Edit," plus
>>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> current text query value has been typed in, and is thus populating
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> edit field, upon each arrow press.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> now another perhaps relevant aspect to understand about this
>>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>> controlType, as compared to some others I've seen, which although
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> identifying as EditCombos either, appear to behave in this very way,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which jaws does quite happily read,
>>>>>>> Is thatt in our version, the control doesn't immediately populate
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> edit field, with the entire selection one navigates to with the
>>>>>>> arrow
>>>>>>> keys.
>>>>>>> Whereas, the ones that jaws does happily appear to read properly, do
>>>>>>> seem
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to do this.
>>>>>>> Therefore, in those fields where jaws does identify what one has
>>>>>>> arrowed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to,
>>>>>>> it's probably not doing so by reading/tracking the highllight bar,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> simply by reading what's appearing at the edit cursor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My first thought was to try and reClass the window, but, this didn't
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> any good effect, since of course as ai realized later, what I want
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> here, is reClass, as far as Jaws is concerned, these individual
>>>>>>> elements,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which are probably not the same as whole windows anyway.
>>>>>>> When I looked at the class of the window in focus, it just showed
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> basic high-level seemingly irrelevant class  such as
>>>>>>> Class = MozillaContentWindowClass etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So no joy there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My second thought, was to try and identify the custom highlight
>>>>>>> color,
>>>>>>> and assign this as a custom highlight in jaws, hoping to attract
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> attention to the fact that it should be checking for, and
>>>>>>> tracking/reading, anything in that highlight color.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, I have no joy doing that either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> putting the jaws cursor on it, it reckons the highlight is Grey13 on
>>>>>>> Lavender, but, yep, this didn't work either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So has anyone got any bright ideas as to what I might try next?
>>>>>>> Is Custom Highlight tracking even working in jaws15 at present
>>>>>>> anywayz?
>>>>>>> Some way I can tell jaws how to properly handle this type of
>>>>>>> element?
>>>>>>> ignoring the edit box cursor, and tracking the highlight bar
>>>>>>> instead?
>>>>>>> Below I have included the rather comvoluted, but possibly helpful to
>>>>>>> someone who may know, element information from the jaws+Shift+f1,
>>>>>>> whilst
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> over this particular field.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks much for any tips!
>>>>>>> See below for the tech stuff about the elemtn.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Element Information:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag INPUT has 7 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> autocomplete=off
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-form-text x-form-field  x-form-focus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=par-1C05555973514DF39BE96CF44694A3B2-d
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> size$
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style
>>>>>>> tabindex!002
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> type=text
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MSAA Role*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-form-field-wrap x-form-field-trigger-wrap
>>>>>>> x-trigger-wrap-focus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen437
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-form-element
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=x-form-el-par-1C05555973514DF39BE96CF44694A3B2-d
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-form-item
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen434
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tabindex=-1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-request-column x-request-column-out x-form-label-top
>>>>>>> x-column
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-comp-1504
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-column-inner
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen423
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-body x-panel-body-noheader x-panel-body-noborder
>>>>>>> x-column-layout-ct
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen386
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 2 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-bwrap
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen385
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-panel request-view-category x-panel-noborder
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-comp-1503
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag FORM has 5 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-body ss-svc-form-body x-panel-body-noheader
>>>>>>> x-panel-body-noborder x-form
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> enctype=application/x-www-form-urlencoded
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen184
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> method=post
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 2 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-bwrap
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen335
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-panel ss-svc-form x-panel-noborder x-form-label-left
>>>>>>> x-box-item
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-comp-1270
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-box-inner
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen334
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-box-layout-ct
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-comp-1272
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-body x-panel-body-noheader
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen318
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 2 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-bwrap
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen316
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-panel x-frs-sc-param-form ss-svc-form
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-comp-1268
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-body x-panel-body-noheader x-panel-body-noborder
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen315
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 2 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-bwrap
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen314
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 2 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-panel tab-panel parameters-tpl x-flex-portal-child
>>>>>>> x-panel-noborder
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-comp-1283
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-flex-portal-child-frame
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-comp-1284
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-tab-panel-body x-tab-panel-body-top
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen224
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 2 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-tab-panel-bwrap
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen223
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-tab-panel x-frs-flex-portlet
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-comp-1239
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-body x-panel-body-noheader x-panel-body-noborder
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen208
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 2 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-bwrap
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen207
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-panel x-frs-flex-portal x-panel-noborder x-border-panel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-comp-1223
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-body x-panel-body-noheader x-panel-body-noborder
>>>>>>> x-border-layout-ct
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen206
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 2 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-bwrap
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen205
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-panel x-panel-noborder
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-comp-1227
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-body x-frs-flex-panel-body x-panel-body-noheader
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen187
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 2 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-bwrap
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen185
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-panel x-frs-formview
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-comp-1222
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-body x-panel-body-noheader x-panel-body-noborder
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen17
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 2 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-bwrap
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen16
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-panel x-frs-content x-border-panel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-comp-1002
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-body x-panel-body-noborder x-border-layout-ct
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen12
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 2 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-mc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen15
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 1 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-mr
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 1 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-ml
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 2 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-bwrap
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen11
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-panel x-panel-noborder
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=WorkspaceFrame
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag BODY has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> href=https://kfchelp-stg.saasit.com/WorkspaceLoader.aspx?Id=ServiceReq&Profile=ObjectWorkspace&LayoutName=SDA-YAI&TabId=ext-comp-1101
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=main_body
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rssúlse
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MSAA Role
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag IFRAME has 8 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-managed-iframe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> frameborder=0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen112
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> name=ext-gen112
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> scrolling=auto
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> src
>>>>>>> style
>>>>>>> title=Object Workspace
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-body x-panel-body-noheader x-panel-body-noborder
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen111
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 2 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-panel-bwrap
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen110
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-panel x-panel-noborder
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=panelext-comp-1101
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-border-panel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=app-frame-body
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-box-item x-border-layout-ct
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=app-content-wrapper
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class=x-box-inner
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-gen10
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-box-layout-ct
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=ext-comp-1003
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-app-content x-border-panel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=AppBody
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag DIV has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> class= x-app-frame x-border-layout-ct
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=BorderWrapper
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> style=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag BODY has 3 parameters:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> href=https://kfchelp-stg.saasit.com/Default.aspx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> id=main_body
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rssúlse
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MSAA Role
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Press ESC to close this message.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, today in IE, (haven't tried yet in other browsers) I ran across
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> Suburb/postcode field, at the below URL, which I wanted you to just
>>>>>>> eyeball as it
>>>>>>> *appeared* to work similarly to how I imagine our dropdowns on your
>>>>>>> site
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> are working? which this one, jaws reads perfectly fine? but am
>>>>>>> unsure
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> course
>>>>>>> of the backEnd element/Javascript running ... etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's at the following URL:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.oxfam.org.au/my/donate/typhoon-haiyan-yolanda?utm_campaign=Typhoon_2nd_ask&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Typhoon_2nd_ask
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leaving virtual cursor enabled for the moment, After tabbing to the
>>>>>>> correct field, Hit enter to turn on forms mode, then type something
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> will bring
>>>>>>> up multiple entries in the list, then hit down arrow. Try it in your
>>>>>>> version of IE?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For me here, in IE8, jaws reads each highlighted entry just fine as
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> arrows up and down in this list,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> without having to assign any custom highlight colors at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For interest, though I know it won't mean much to you, here's the
>>>>>>> backend
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> stuff re the element that Jaws reports when doing a
>>>>>>> Control+Insert+F1
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> field in IE 8, without forms mode enabled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (note that this Insert+Shift+F1 keystroke doesn't work when either
>>>>>>> forms
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mode is enabled or virtual cursor is off, which are effectively the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>> anyway:)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Element Information:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tag INPUT has 11 parameters:
>>>>>>> aria-autocomplete=list
>>>>>>> aria-haspopup=true
>>>>>>> autocomplete=off
>>>>>>> class=ui-autocomplete-input
>>>>>>> id=suburb_ac
>>>>>>> jquery172036613851847330175
>>>>>>> name=suburb_ac
>>>>>>> role=textbox
>>>>>>> tabindex!
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