[jawsscripts] Jaws compatibility with Pro Tools, sonar, JSonar, and CakeTalking.
- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:26:39 +1100
Hey listers.
I guess you two guys have heard of the Sonar multitrack audio editor
8.5 then I presume? with JSonar or CakeTalking scripts? Re access to Sonar
with JSonar scripts,
Victor Tsarens is another guy you probly should be chasing as regards the
state of play here, as he and another very bright spark called Jamy Teh, had
been providing free scripts chasing each new released version of sonar for
quite some years now.
They Call these, JSonar.
Check out,
http://www.jSonar.org
When I was heavily involved in music some years ago now, jSonar free script
access, was personally my preferred sonar access method of choice over the
Dancing Dots CakeTalking scripts access.
And not just because of their monetary cost!
But, as I say, that was at some 8 years ago now, and each will have to
assess the current state of play with both sonar access vehicles.
My very basic assessment back then, and after listening to the latest very
excellently produced podcast on CakeTalking by Brian Smart, (see below,) I
think is still a reasonably fair/current one,)
was that jSonar took the philosophy of really seeking to allow the user to
learn to drive sonar from the keyboard, as natively as possible, and
supplied modifier keys to help navigate around, or glance at aspects of the
sonar project.
CakeTalking, on the other hand, seemed to take a very different approach,
and provided an incredible amount of specialist scripted hotkeys, which in
some cases directly remap/interfere with sonar's native functionality of
those keys.
for example, by default, pressing the f5 key once
natively in sonar, opens the GoToTime dialog box. and JSonar employed
something like ControlShiftF5, to glance at the Now time in hours, minutes
Seconds, and controlShiftF6, to hear it in Measure/Beats/Ticks.
CakeTalking, on the other hand, requires less fingers, remapping things so
that pressing f5 once, speaks the Measure Beat Tick time, twice reads the
realWorld hours minutes seconds now Time, and one must press it three times,
to allow it to pass through to sonar's native function, which is to bring up
the goTo Time dialog box.
Etc.
I just personally have a bit of a philosophic difficulty, when I feel I
can't easily either:
(a,) be sure that the keyboard will perform exactly as it natively would in
sonar itself, i.e. if dealing with CAkeWalk's tech support etc, or
(b,) be real clear as to which functionality is being provided by the
scripts, and which by sonar itself.
I guess I just personally prefered the first JSonar philosophic method. plus
the advantage that because JSonar scripts are free, one could open the
source jss script file, and tweak/alter the behaviour of anything you didn't
like, or wanted to change, if you were so inclined. Which I often was.
:)
CakeTalking, because it's a commercial product, of course doesn't permit
that kind of jss file customization.
Though I notice Jim, that they have incorporated the usage of HotSpotClicker
sets, which is of course a cool thing. So it appears both JSonar and
CakeTalking can now utilize these.
I've kinda dropped out of the whole audio/music editing game right now, and
certainly sonar is more a standard multi-track editor complete with soft
synths etc, rather than a totally looping type new-school Dj tool like
fruity-loops,
But, if your looking for that musician end of things, with professional
pluggins and EQ's, and useable compressors, complete with soft synth,
sample, and loops access,
and the like, some of course accessible and some not, Then Sonar might well
be worth your investigation.
The usibility of many Soft synth/effects pluggins used in sonar, are often
significantly enhanced by a fantastic additional alternative access software
tool called "HotSpotClicker,
http://www.HotSpotClicker.org,";
Whose developer Jim Snowbarger is now also a part of this list.
HotSpotClicker, or hsc as it's oft abbreviated, permits significantly
helpful opportunity to provide some level of more front end access
development, to some otherwise very difficult to script pluggins.
For the JSonar Jaws scripts project, These hotspot sets are Pirmarily
designed these days by a bloke in the UK called Phil Muir, who also offers
training in all these things by the way, in between his own musical
production projects,
at:
http://www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/sonarfaq.html
And now, rather timely for your posts on this problem,
I've just discovered, that for this month,
FS have released their regular podcast on a pretty jolly comprehensive demo
of using the Sonar editor, with a rather chatty CakeTalking, by a long
experienced and extremeley compitent producer/musician called Brian Smart,
which you can download by right clicking on the link below, and choosing
save target as, as per usual etc.
http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast062-january2012.mp3
Which you guys may wish to listen to.
It's probly worth listening to, even just to get a handle on some of the
things sonar can do, and the audio results that a compitent driver can
obtain with that software.
CakeTalking do have an extensive manual in order to help users learn all the
access keystroke/sfacilities it offers, plus Dancing dots will also do one
on one Training as well, also for a fee I'd presume.
JSonar, being a free project, also have some basic documentation tutorial
stuff, available at:
http://www.jsonar.org/content/jsonar-tutorial
Oh one more note, I believe Cakewalk's latest versionof sonar, got renamed
to something which escapes me now, but for ultimate access joy with either
cakeTalking or JSonar, you wanna get them to sell you a derivative of sonar
8.5.
HTH.
Geoff Chapman.
From: "Merv Keck" <blind5sparrow@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:06 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Jaws compatability w/ Pro Tools
> Man I'm right there with you. I just lost most of my vision due to
> ulcerated
> cornea and calcification build up and have lost the ability to use most of
> my professional audio hardware and software. I have been searching for
> professional audio editing software and hardware tools for months now that
> are blind/jaws friendly and having little luck. I am not an engineer but I
> do the sound at my cchurch as well as web design and I am a former DJ. A
> real DJ not the internet kind although I did that as well. One of the
> reasons I'm learning jaws scripts is in hopes of making some of these
> tools
> accessible such as audition and pro tools. I just found out yesterday
> that
> one of my eyes that I had surgery on to restore vision was going backwars
> instead of forwards so I am going to have to hurry up on that regards.
> blind5sparrow
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Christie
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:56 PM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Jaws compatability w/ Pro Tools
>
> Can anyone tell me if Jaws is compatable with Pro Tools, or Apple Pro
> Logic
> for that matter? If not, would it be difficult to code it?
>
> I'm an audio engineer and while I can see now I am going to go blind soon
> as
> I am currently battling cancer. I don't want to give up my work so I'm
> exploring every avenue possible.
>
> Thank you
>
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