[jawsscripts] Re: JAWSWillFollowPc/TetherJawsToPC Broken in Jaws 10, 11 and 12.

  • From: "Ann Marie Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 15:47:43 -0500

Thanks John for this site.  I just briefly looked at it and typed E for edit 
and tped in my zip code and got listing for today's TV.
Ann

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john.falter" <john.falter@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 3:36 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWSWillFollowPc/TetherJawsToPC Broken in Jaws 
10, 11 and 12.


> You could use zap2it.com to get time and channel for your programs.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Don Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 7:18 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWSWillFollowPc/TetherJawsToPC Broken in Jaws
> 10, 11 and 12.
>
>
>>I do it so I can personally use these products that these huge companies
>> produce that actually change and improve my daily life.  It is extremely
>> frustrating that companies with such resources give no attention to
>> accessibility when developing their products, do not listen to feedback,
>> and
>> once I work around their accessibility issues, they completely change
>> their
>> interface!  Of course, the new interface is even more inaccessible!
>>
>> DirecTV has been even more frustrating.  Their equipment is capable of
>> transmitting and receiving DVS, but they refuse to broadcast the extra
>> audio
>> signals.  I listened in on a FCC meeting where their DVS / Closed Caption
>> expert explained the technical reasons why they could not pass on these
>> signals.  Almost everything he said was a lye!  They also suddenly made 
>> it
>> impossible to use their mobile DVR Scheduler website which I wrote JAWS
>> Scripts to make it a single keystroke to schedule a recording.  They
>> arbitrarily decided to redirect any access that is not a mobile device.
>> Even spoofing the User Agent string is not enough to make it work 
>> anymore.
>> At the same time, they made their very busy, and slow main guide webpage
>> all
>> inaccessible Flash.  It is currently not possible to now get to the right
>> time and channel to schedule recordings on my DVRs.  Instead of listening
>> and responding to my feedback, they just keep throwing hardware and free
>> movie channels to placate me.  It is not working!
>>
>> Don Marang
>> Vinux Software Development Coordinator (vinux.org.uk)
>>
>> There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any
>> real
>> substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am
>> working
>> on things that matter.
>> Dean Kamen
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 7:26 PM
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWSWillFollowPc/TetherJawsToPC  Broken in 
>> Jaws
>> 10, 11 and 12.
>>
>>> Wow don! I never saw this when I sent my last! amazing stuff! Thank you
>>> for
>>> sharing all this!
>>> man your way more advanced into this than I am, but, of course I knewed
>>> that
>>> anyway!
>>> <grin.>
>>> Thanks for all this great info though! man! all I need now is the
>>> time/application to try and incorporate/nail into my head, the 
>>> background
>>> concepts
>>> of this kind of info! how utterly vexing for you though that you did all
>>> this work and now it's completely useless? how often though must this
>>> happen!
>>>
>>> and how frustrating this must be!
>>>
>>> I don't know how you do it!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Don Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:04 AM
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWSWillFollowPc/TetherJawsToPC Broken in 
>>> Jaws
>>> 10, 11 and 12.
>>>
>>>
>>>> The Tether mode is very interesting when poking around in an
>>>> application.
>>>> Did you know if you press the key combination for TetherJAWSToPC twice,
>>>> it
>>>> becomes the default when JAWS starts?  Because of the downsides of this
>>>> mode, such as issues with submenus, I can not imagine using it as a
>>>> general
>>>> default or as the default within an application.  It is better to use
>>>> individual commands, such as RouteJAWSToPC in situations where it will
>>>> be
>>>> effective.
>>>>
>>>> I wrote an set of useful scripts for a very badly behaved desktop
>>>> Verizon
>>>> application that would notify you on your PC when a call came in on 
>>>> your
>>>> land line.  It provided a customizeable name for the caller and the
>>>> number.
>>>> It also kept track of the incomming call log and could interact with
>>>> Voice
>>>> Mails.  It is worthless now because they rewrote the application.  It 
>>>> is
>>>> now
>>>> a totally inaccessible desktop gadget that I have not figured out how 
>>>> to
>>>> get
>>>> any information out of!
>>>>
>>>> Mostly it is best to override one or more of the built-in event
>>>> functions,
>>>> like ToolTipEvent.  In my case, there was a call log listbox with only
>>>> two
>>>> columns, the caller's name and the date / time.  The caller's phone
>>>> number
>>>> only appears when the mouse hobers ober the item in the list!  By
>>>> overriding
>>>> the ActiveItemChangedEvent, which is triggered when entering the list 
>>>> or
>>>> moving up / down in the list, you can add additional actions.  I 
>>>> totally
>>>> rearranged the order in which information was announced and the format
>>>> for
>>>> phone numbers.  All phone numbers were transfomed into 123-456-9999. 
>>>> It
>>>> also RoutedJAWSToPC at the right moment.  Since this application did 
>>>> not
>>>> have proper ToolTips or HelpBalloons, I had to use logic in the
>>>> WindowCreatedEvent to identify which window just poped up.  When these
>>>> ToolTip windows appeared, I captured the needed text.
>>>>
>>>> I pasted the ActiveItemChangedEvent  function below and a link where a
>>>> zip
>>>> archive of the latest code is available.  It probably makes no sense to
>>>> install, since the application is no longer available and the website 
>>>> no
>>>> longer will communicate with it.
>>>>
>>>> http://mysite.verizon.net/marangs/VerizonCallAssistant.html
>>>>
>>>> ;  Originally written for JAWS 10 Beta 3 (10.0.419)
>>>> ;  Started on 26 October 2008
>>>>
>>>> Void Function ActiveItemChangedEvent (handle hWnd, int iCurrentID, Int
>>>> iCurrentChild, handle hWndPrevious, Int iPreviousID, Int 
>>>> iPreviousChild)
>>>>
>>>> SpeechOn ()
>>>> ; SayMessage (OT_DEBUG, "Current window = " + IntToString (hWnd))
>>>> ; SayMessage (OT_DEBUG, "Current ID = " + IntToString (iCurrentID)) ;
>>>> returns -4, The arguments of -4 are indeed an MSAA thing: That's
>>>> ObjID_Client, an indicator of which part of the window was responsible
>>>> for
>>>> the event
>>>> ; SayMessage (OT_DEBUG, "Current ID description = " +
>>>> GetObjectDescription
>>>> (False, 0)) ; returns the date of the item
>>>> ; SayMessage (OT_DEBUG, "Current ID ACC description = " +
>>>> GetObjectContainerHelp ()) ; returns null
>>>> ; SayMessage (OT_DEBUG, "Current ID object name = " + GetObjectName
>>>> (False,
>>>> 0)) ; returns the item (name and date)
>>>> ; SayMessage (OT_DEBUG, "Current ID object state = " + GetObjectState
>>>> (False, 0)) ; Should return "Selected"
>>>> ; SayMessage (OT_DEBUG, "Current ID object type = " + GetObjectType ())
>>>> ;
>>>> returns "List Box Item"
>>>> ; SayMessage (OT_DEBUG, "Current ID value = " + GetObjectValue (False,
>>>> 0))
>>>> ;
>>>> returns null
>>>> ; SayMessage (OT_DEBUG, "Current child = " + IntToString
>>>> (iCurrentChild))
>>>> ;
>>>> Returns the item index
>>>>
>>>> ; SayMessage (OT_DEBUG, "Previous window = " + IntToString
>>>> (hWndPrevious))
>>>> ; SayMessage (OT_DEBUG, "Previous ID = " + IntToString (iPreviousID))
>>>> ; SayMessage (OT_DEBUG, "Previous child = " + IntToString
>>>> (iPreviousChild))
>>>>
>>>> If hWnd == ghVCAResultsListView Then
>>>> Let giVCACurrentResultsItem = iCurrentChild
>>>> SayFormattedMessage (OT_MESSAGE,
>>>> FormatString (MSG_PRE_LIST_ITEM_L, IntToString
>>>> (giVCACurrentResultsItem)),
>>>> FormatString (MSG_PRE_LIST_ITEM_S, IntToString
>>>> (giVCACurrentResultsItem)))
>>>> If GetCharacterAttributes () & ATTRIB_BOLD Then
>>>> SayMessage (OT_MESSAGE, MSG_NEW_L, MSG_NEW_S)
>>>> EndIf
>>>> ; SayMessage (OT_DEBUG, "Selection state = " + IntToString
>>>> (lvGetItemState
>>>> (hWnd, iCurrentChild) ))
>>>>
>>>> ; SayObjectActiveItem (True) ; Says the wrong number of items in list 
>>>> (1
>>>> of
>>>> 11)
>>>> ; SayObjectActiveItem (False) ; not able to reformat phone number in
>>>> search
>>>> results
>>>> If StringContains (gsVCAResultsTitle, LIST_RECENT) Then
>>>> Let gsVCAResultsName = lvGetItemText (hWnd, iCurrentChild, 1)
>>>> Let gsVCAResultsDate = lvGetItemText (hWnd, iCurrentChild, 2)
>>>> SayFormattedMessage (OT_MESSAGE,
>>>> FormatString (MSG_LIST_ITEM_L, gsVCAResultsName,gsVCAResultsDate),
>>>> FormatString (MSG_LIST_ITEM_S, gsVCAResultsName,gsVCAResultsDate))
>>>>
>>>> Else
>>>> Let gsVCAResultsName = lvGetItemText (hWnd, iCurrentChild, 1)
>>>> Let gsVCAResultsNumber = lvGetItemText (hWnd, iCurrentChild, 2)
>>>> Let gsVCAResultsNumber = ReformatPhoneNumber (gsVCAResultsNumber)
>>>> SayFormattedMessage (OT_MESSAGE,
>>>> FormatString (MSG_LIST_ITEM_L, gsVCAResultsName,gsVCAResultsNumber),
>>>> FormatString (MSG_LIST_ITEM_S, gsVCAResultsName,gsVCAResultsNumber))
>>>>
>>>> EndIf
>>>>
>>>> JAWSCursor ()
>>>> RouteJAWSToPc () ; move JAWS cursor to item to activate custom ToolTip
>>>> to
>>>> capture phone number in WindowActivatedEvent
>>>> LeftMouseButton () ; select item
>>>> PCCursor ()
>>>> Else
>>>> ; Most likely in a JAWS dialog
>>>> ; SayMessage (OT_DEBUG, "Call to item changed and not in list view!
>>>> Item
>>>> =
>>>> " + IntToString (iCurrentChild))
>>>> ActiveItemChangedEvent (hWnd, iCurrentID, iCurrentChild, hWndPrevious,
>>>> iPreviousID, iPreviousChild)
>>>> EndIf
>>>>
>>>> EndFunction
>>>> Don Marang
>>>> Vinux Software Development Coordinator (vinux.org.uk)
>>>>
>>>> There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any
>>>> real
>>>> substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am
>>>> working
>>>> on things that matter.
>>>> Dean Kamen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 11:29 PM
>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWSWillFollowPc/TetherJawsToPC  Broken in
>>>> Jaws
>>>> 10, 11 and 12.
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Don.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks so much man for this response, the only one to date on this
>>>>> issue
>>>>> so
>>>>> far. <smile.>
>>>>>
>>>>> I submit this got broken in jaws10, as it seems to work properly in
>>>>> jaws9
>>>>> here, I tested it.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, of course would very much appreciate any confirmatory info you
>>>>> feel
>>>>> able to provide on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> it's such a handy feature for newbys without a lot of knowledge, to
>>>>> quickly
>>>>> gain often extremely helpful info in toolTips, when exploring new 
>>>>> Apps,
>>>>> and
>>>>> I'd very much like it repaired again.
>>>>>
>>>>> i also so much apreciate your pointers re it having to operate at
>>>>> either
>>>>> the
>>>>> FocusChangedEvent level or lower/internally etc. I never thought of it
>>>>> being
>>>>> a builtin (internal) issue though. soooo useful to have a forum to
>>>>> discuss
>>>>> these things with others eh!
>>>>>
>>>>> with your far wider experience of all things scripting, please do let
>>>>> me
>>>>> know of anything you discover?
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, Are you also familiar with Object usage? i.e. any interactivity
>>>>> between
>>>>> JAWS and MsWord? regarding the crazy cross Reference code offScreen
>>>>> reading,
>>>>> that jaws continues to do every time it runs across a cross-reference
>>>>> in
>>>>> msWord 2007, in versions 11/12?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Don Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 9:06 PM
>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: JAWSWillFollowPc/TetherJawsToPC Broken in
>>>>> Jaws
>>>>> 10, 11 and 12.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The tether function must work at either the FocusChangedEvent level 
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> lower, such as internally.  I will see if I can reproduce your
>>>>>> results.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> worked the way I expected a year or two ago.  This had to be at least
>>>>>> JAWS
>>>>>> 9, because I jumped from 5.1 to 9.  I originally thought this was an
>>>>>> answer
>>>>>> to a problem I had writing scripts for Verizon.  I will check the
>>>>>> dates
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> version I was using.  I think this was on Windows 7 as well, which
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> mean at least JAWS 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tethering effects much more than the movements of the focus caused by
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Tab key.  It is not desirable for this feature to be the default. 
>>>>>> For
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> thing, when using an arrow key through a menu, it will automatically
>>>>>> open
>>>>>> and move into all submenus!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I totally agree with you about the ToolTip verbosity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don Marang
>>>>>> Vinux Software Development Coordinator (vinux.org.uk)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of 
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> real
>>>>>> substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am
>>>>>> working
>>>>>> on things that matter.
>>>>>> Dean Kamen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:25 PM
>>>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] JAWSWillFollowPc/TetherJawsToPC  Broken in 
>>>>>> Jaws
>>>>>> 10,
>>>>>> 11 and 12.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mighty scripters.
>>>>>>> Just letting people know of another unfortunate breakage that seems
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> have crept in unnoticed or uncared about over the past 3 versions,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> that's what is, in my view,
>>>>>>> the rather handy newby application exploration feature, of today's
>>>>>>> subject
>>>>>>> line., viz, JAWSWillFollowPC. Or, as the actual Script is named,
>>>>>>> TetherJawsToPc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> grumph!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have spent some time today, seeking to drill down into some of the
>>>>>>> functions/scripts which might've caused this, as it would seem on 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> surface a relatively simple one to repair maybe? but have had no 
>>>>>>> luck
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> tracking it down myself.
>>>>>>> The Actual TetherJawsToPc script looks identical to me between jaws
>>>>>>> versions 9 and 10,
>>>>>>> so am presuming the problem must be somewhat deeper, i.e. buried in
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the functions related to tabKey or shiftTabKey pressing itself?
>>>>>>> which appear to be one's maybe like, SayFocusedObject, or
>>>>>>> SayObjectTypeAndText, or perhaps, GetObjectHelp?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Tether JawsToPc Script appears to me to just toggle the jcf
>>>>>>> option,
>>>>>>> (opt_Tether_Jaws_To_PC, from one setting to another,
>>>>>>> So I presume, that something in the tab and shiftTab key pressing
>>>>>>> functions, is maybe not checking for this setting in the relevant 
>>>>>>> jcf
>>>>>>> file?
>>>>>>> and subsequently executing a routeJawsToPc based on it's 1 or 0?
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>> like this perhaps?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but something sure changed though between jaws 9 and 10, because
>>>>>>> tha'ts
>>>>>>> where it's been broken, and remained broken ever since.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For those who may not be aware of this little gem,
>>>>>>> (when it actually functions properly,)
>>>>>>> When coupled with Auto ToolTip reading option set to on, (which is
>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>> individually within the prefferences section for each verbosity
>>>>>>> level,
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the verbosity dialog,
>>>>>>> - which is, not, the default setting for jaws, for reasons which 
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> always totally eluded me,)
>>>>>>> when tethering jawsToPc, it can give a very handy way of hearing,
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> particular buttons or controls may do in an application, which
>>>>>>> activate
>>>>>>> the normal toolTip event class when mouse hovers over a control.  it
>>>>>>> basically means your mouse will follow your pc focus, and thus speak
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> those tooltips automatically for you, if any are present.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> one can also of course check it's functionality simply by first
>>>>>>> activating
>>>>>>> the jawsCursor, turning on the tetherJawsToPc function with
>>>>>>> Jawskey+Control+NumPad minus, pressing Tab, then pressing AltDelete,
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> check the jawsCursor Coordinates.
>>>>>>> When it's working properly, of course if the tab key is moving focus
>>>>>>> around an application window, like, for example, the winamp or vlc
>>>>>>> preferences dialog,
>>>>>>> pressing alt+delete after a tab press, should yield a change in the
>>>>>>> coordinates output,
>>>>>>> along with tooltips auto spoken, if that option has been enabled.
>>>>>>> Also, subsequently pressing RouteJawsToPc, when the function is
>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>> properly, then executing alt+delete again, should also, not, yield
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> change in the coordinates, when jawsCursor is active.
>>>>>>> However as you'll notice in jaws 10, 11 or 12, carying out the 
>>>>>>> above,
>>>>>>> does, yield a change, meaning it's not tracking as it should.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> any thoughts from anyone as to how one might dig down further to 
>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> where this has come adrift?
>>>>>>> or if anyone would care to have a shot themselves and let us know 
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> better! <grin.>
>>>>>>> But not an urgent one, just something I'd like to fix.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks muchly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> geoff c.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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