Thanks for that Phill. I am back at Desktop it always worries me if I hear Black on black on Desktop and white on Midnight blue on laptop. I shall never really understand it. Re the Pixiles points I will keep trying then. it is just it goes on about Attachment Priority and copy and a long menu and column width appears I press C and it shoots off somewhere else I have tried from Tools from anywhere else I can think of in addition to the View Menu. I have so far avoid the dreded Collapsed and Grouped. that one is awful so I am treading carefully. Ps on later Versions of Jaws no tapes but FS little Tutorials now got hold of. sounds like Dan Archer speaking. He is going on about Magic. Magic I have in a box doing nothing. It did not do the trick. Just recalling what id didmakesmedid make me sea sick things would from right to left across the screen like Sea Monsters and vanish to the left and round again I mean the whole screen. I had to hold on tom chair as it gave me Vertigo. In the end I said "what is this the Magic Round-a-bout. Dorothy ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq