Hi Cliff,
If I were you, I would ring sight and sound and get their tech department to
sort out the problem or give you your money back. By the way, they can now
connect to your computer and sort things out if you want them to personally I
have done this on many occasions and its been successful.
Regards,
Ismail.
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of
cliff williams
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 9:59 AM
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws versus free alternatives
I bought jaws pro in 2001 and it cost around £1000 then. I have updated it as
far as jaws 14 but couldnt afford to upgrade after that until I was forced to
on 28-06 evidently 2 days before the £115 offer but sight and sound never said
a word about that and they charged me £375 to upgrade or rather convert to
jaws 2019 home edition which has been nothing but trouble since I installed it.
If the computer is standing without use for a while it hangs up and when you
are using it if you alt+tab between programs it seems to get to confused and
hangs up or reads the last page that was displayed.
It seems to me that in this country the reason jaws is so expensive is sight
and sound making a huge profit rather than freedom scientific making a fortune
for themselves, although I expect they are as well. I shall never buy jaws
again I would rather give up using computers although I do now use nvda
sometimes.
cliff
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Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 8:26 AM
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws versus free alternatives
Hi
I think it's probably worth pointing out that Sight & Sound had JAWS
on sale for £115 as one of their Site Village offers.
Don't know if this is a pointer to the way ahead but it is certainly
the lowest price I have seen.
Steve
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On
Behalf Of Amie Slavin
Sent: 14 July 2019 19:01
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws versus free alternatives
Flame me for a cynic, but I think the FS plan is to see how long they
can continue getting away with it. Maybe they will correct me now...?
:o)
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Mostafa Almahdy
Sent: 14 July 2019 18:50
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws versus free alternatives
Hello, I rarely post here. I'd like to thank each and everyone who
reacted to this post. I believe we must pressure Freedom Scientific
until they considerably reduce the pricing of Jaws to reasonable
amount. The right to accessibly pursue computing has to be gratuitous.
Freedom Scientific attempts to deoxidise the screen readers platform.
Subsequent to the development of Apple's Voiceover and NV Access for
windows, the role of their Jaws certainly became undistinguished. I
think this list is watched by Freedom Scientific affiliates. I hope
they interact with this thread and tell us, what is their vision for
Jaws in the future with this enormous competition in mind? Mustafa
from Cairo Egypt. My name on Skype is: ebob824@xxxxxxxxx Feel free to
say Hello for a casual and friendly conversation.
On 7/14/19, Amie Slavin <amie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Is there a list for NVDA, and what is Thunder, please? This may be
considered o-t for this list, but I hope will be permitted as it is
clearly of such immediate relevance to all screen reader users.
Is there an advice list for either of the free screen readers? I
heartily dislike the ripoff JAWS culture, but am afraid of sitching
to a free version in case there's nowhere to go for advice on using it.
I refuse to pay yet more hundreds of pounds for a new version of
JAWS, with improvements I can't even detect but which put my existing
version out of date... Anyway, all the points are well rehearsed.
Thank you for this thread. I'm hoping it continues.
Cheers
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From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Savage ;
(Redacted sender "johnnyboy184" for DMARC)
Sent: 14 July 2019 07:03
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Jaws versus free alternatives
NVDA does everything I need. I suppose really I should unsubscribe
from this list, but it's low traffic and there are occasional useful
tips.
John Savage, Woking, UK
On 14/07/2019 05:49, Emmanuel Bassey wrote:
Hi Mostafa,
Your question is quite clear... many in Nigeria are unable to afford
licensed Jaws and are now using NVDA or Thunder. Recently, I just
recommended Microsoft 'ease of access - narrator' for a 15 years old
who parent are unable to afford Jaws.
Thanks for your mail... I hope something can be done about the cost
of Jaws.
Regards,
Emmanuel
Melbourne, Australia.
On 14/07/2019, Mostafa Almahdy <mostafa.almahdy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello everyone, I hope you are keeping really well. Loosely,
Freedom scientific is by far the largest manufacturer of assistive
technology solutions for those who are blind or visually impaired.
Moreover, it is the primal developer and unique provider of the
broadly recognised screen reading solution, Jaws for Windows. I
don’t think I need to explain what Jaws is. It is known worldwide.
Nonetheless, in the recent years, Jaws has been coerced to enter a
tallying rivalry.
Subsequent to the development and mass embracement of the concept
of free screen readers, the trait of merchandising Jaws globally
has been substantially lowered. Many people became more interested
in free screen readers solution. I certainly do not destine to
promote something in particular on that regard. Nonetheless, I’d
aim to argue for the affirmative, as to the necessity to dispose of
this immense illusion, that Jaws is invincible. People have been
manipulated to incorrectly assume, that major computer tasks are
undone properly unless you use Jaws. This is a biased standpoint. I
have shifted to free screen readers and I am quite satisfied with
their brilliant outcome. I simply am carrying on all primal
computer chores. At work and home, I conveniently interact with
various applications. The question I have for Freedom Scientific
affiliates, why would I spend thousands of dollars on a license of
a software that is now utterly contested and possibly rather surmounted?
Freedom Scientific regularly releases consecutive versions, to
somewhat compel the user to upgrade frequently, so they could keep
their profit margin on the rise. The right to freely access
information is unexclusive and it has to be supremely prioritised.
Moreover, purchasing Jaws is absolutely unaffordable for many
people, especially, those who permanently reside in developing
nations. The concept of open source screen readers is intemperately
advocated for from ethical perspective. Freedom Scientific takes
advantage of the Jaws stereotype, so they could sell further
licenses and extend their technological ascendancy per say, as
farther as they possibly could.
Their marketing team convinces colleges, that in order for their
visually impaired students to perform well, they must buy Jaws for
them. Thence, Freedom Scientific essentially relies on orders given
by enormous organisations, as of colleges, popular associations for
the blind et cetera. However, if they would have relied on the
actual user, they may have ended up losing a fortune. Also, the
concept of open source screen readers is a decent alternative to
get rid of the moral crisis of tolerating software piracy. I
unfortunately used to be one of those who copied and used Jaws
illicitly. I reposed my conscience for quite awhile.
Now, I determined to stop doing that. I was one of those who were
quite cozened about Jaws and its unvanquishable stance. I urge
Freedom Scientific staff to sternly redress their current situation.
Despite its popularity, Jaws is factually now clobbered with
unrestricted alternatives. People at Freedom Scientific must
recognise this reality and deal with it. Many people including
myself, do not have the motive to buy Jaws, as long as its free
counterpart is constantly available.
It makes everything beautifully accessible, just like Jaws and
possibly even better. So, the logical question here is, why would I
buy Jaws, even in the theoretical instance of affording it, if I
could equally cope with demands executing plenty of free
alternatives? This question is gravely valid. I keenly await
responses from Freedom Scientific staff to argue their case and
attempt to sustain their proposition, that Jaws is practically
unparalleled. I must mention here, that I have been using Jaws for
nearly fifteen years. I didn’t catch any major difference when I
switched to the unrestricted substitute. Lastly, I truly thank each
and everyone who has read my message with sincere interest. I
ultimately must assure all recipients, that I didn’t covet to
provoke or offend anyone with what I said. It’s of individual
preference to use whatever you’re comfortable with. I just destined
to state my opinion plainly. Thank you for reading, cordially,
Mustafa from Cairo Egypt.
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