[jaws-uk] Fw: Re: [y-accessibility] New Yahoo Mail beta

From: Andrew Summers <asummers112@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 13:38:50 +0100 (BST)
Hello All,
I am forwarding this as I need your help as yahoo are changing the yahoo mail 
and I have tryed out the new one with JAWS10 and JAWS11 and it is not 
accessible.
As I have been with them for years I don't want to move.

Andrew

--- On Fri, 6/5/11, Bharat <bharat.b@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Bharat <bharat.b@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [y-accessibility] New Yahoo Mail beta
> To: y-accessibility@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Friday, 6 May, 2011, 7:01
> Well,
> that's absolutely true.
> Could i, here request for the conversation view to be
> introduced in yahoo??
> Though as of now,
> i'm not very comfortable with the new yahoo view, i went
> there, and
> found the view to be too different to be handled.
> Afterall, i shouldn't have to learn a new interface, to
> access
> different formats to access same features on different
> sites??
> 
> On 5/5/11, Andrew Summers <asummers112@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > todd,
> > I should not have to turn JAWS virtual cursor off on
> the net.
> > It is the way the web page is laid out and designed by
> yahoo.
> > If the button menus are not made more accessible then
> I will report to the
> > fix the web guys and they will write to the owners to
> get it made accessible
> > for all!
> > I have been using computers and the web and JAWS for
> 16 years and had no
> > problems with any other websites.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > --- On Wed, 4/5/11, Todd Kloots <kloots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Todd Kloots <kloots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: [y-accessibility] New Yahoo Mail beta
> > To: "y-accessibility@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> <y-accessibility@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > "asummers112@xxxxxxxxxxx"
> <asummers112@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Wednesday, 4 May, 2011, 17:00
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew -
> >
> >
> > It sounds like the JAWS virtual cursor is on while you
> are using the arrow
> > keys to navigate the menuitems.  JAWS should
> automatically toggle the
> > virtual cursor off for the menus, but this feature
> might not be working
> > properly in JAWS depending on the version and/or the
> browser you are using.
> >  So, I'd suggest manually toggling the virtual cursor
> off for the menus by
> > pressing Insert + Z.  If that doesn't work, then it
> is likely a problem on
> > our side.
> >
> >
> > As Victor indicated in his previous email, we'll be
> publishing screen-reader
> > specific instructions for using the new version of
> Yahoo! Mail in the weeks
> > ahead.  We'll notify this list once that information
> has been published.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for testing the new Mail, and be sure to let us
> know of any other
> > problems you are having with the beta so we can
> address them.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Todd
> >
> >
> > On May 4, 2011, at 6:14 AM, Andrew Summers wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Victor,
> > As I have said, I don't have my own computer so I need
> to go in to a public
> > library in the UK.
> > The librarys do not let any one install software on to
> the computers and
> > both librarys I use has JAWS.
> > One library has JAWS V10 and the other has JAWS V11.
> > I know that the button menus do not work in the new
> yahoo mail.
> > You can not arrow up or down the menu using the up or
> down arrow with JAWS.
> > How well do you know JAWS?
> > Why I ask is, you always say , you are using NVDA and
> JAWS.
> > Why don't you use JAWS and go up and down the button
> menus with the arrow
> > keys and you will see what I mean.
> > JAWS will not read the menus it bypasses them and
> reads the rest of the web
> > page.
> > So how good is that for accessibility for blind people
> [not]
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > --- On Mon, 2/5/11, Victor Tsaran <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> > From: Victor Tsaran <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: [y-accessibility] New Yahoo Mail beta
> > To: y-accessibility@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Monday, 2 May, 2011, 5:53
> >
> > Hi Andrew,
> > We know that the new Mail works fairly well with NVDA
> and the latest
> > versions of the JAWS screen reader. We, however, are
> tweaking the interface
> > all the time, remember the product still in beta. We
> also work closely with
> > all major screen reader vendors to ensure the best
> accessibility for Mail.
> > If something does not work for you, please list the
> steps that you took in
> > order to experience the problem. WIthout constructive
> feedback from our
> > users, we cannot help as well as we would like to.
> > We are working on the documentation and tutorial
> materials in order to make
> > the transition for our users easier.
> > Stay tuned for more news.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > VIctor
> >
> > On Apr 30, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Andrew Summers wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Todd,
> > 1. I use JAWS.
> > 2. I am using I.E 7.
> > I do not have my own computer at home I use public
> librarys to do what I
> > need to do.
> > HTH.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > --- On Thu, 28/4/11, Todd Kloots <kloots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> > From: Todd Kloots <kloots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: [y-accessibility] New Yahoo Mail beta
> > To: "asummers112@xxxxxxxxxxx"
> <asummers112@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > "y-accessibility@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> <y-accessibility@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Thursday, 28 April, 2011, 20:46
> >
> > Thanks for your feedback, Andrew.  I'm curious to
> know what screen reader
> > and browser combinations you've been using to test the
> Mail Beta that led
> > you to the conclusion that the new version is not
> accessible with a screen
> > reader.
> >
> > I'm one of the developers working on accessibility for
> the Mail Beta, so I'm
> > very interested in your findings.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Todd
> >
> > On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:28 AM, Andrew Summers wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> > I have found out, that new yahoo mail is not
> accessible with a screen
> > reader.
> > no matter what screen reader you are using.
> > The buttons menu does not work I can not navigate what
> is on the menu with
> > the keyboard.
> > If we are going to be up-dated with the new yahoo mail
> and it is not
> > accessible for blind people with JAWS or any screen
> reader, yahoo are
> > breaking the accessible guidelines so blind people are
> not able to navigate
> > the website.
> > What we need is something like what we have got now
> with the old clasic
> >
> > Andrew Summers
> >
> > --- On Tue, 26/4/11, Andrew Summers <asummers112@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Andrew Summers <asummers112@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Subject: Re: [y-accessibility] New Yahoo Mail
> beta
> >> To: y-accessibility@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Date: Tuesday, 26 April, 2011, 16:14
> >> Yahoo know how to make it hard for
> >> the non sighted!
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Tue, 26/4/11, Bharat <bharat.b@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > From: Bharat <bharat.b@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Subject: Re: [y-accessibility] New Yahoo Mail
> beta
> >> > To: y-accessibility@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Date: Tuesday, 26 April, 2011, 16:01
> >> > hi Victor,
> >> >
> >> > could i request you to insutre gmail like
> features,
> >> > wherein, not only
> >> > should you be able to customise the interface
> but also
> >> ask
> >> > it to
> >> > remember the choices.
> >> >
> >> > one of the other, much needed features is,
> the
> >> conversation
> >> > view.
> >> >
> >> > all said & done, since the time, i've
> started
> >> using the
> >> > conversation
> >> > view of gmail, well, i am all in for it!
> >> >
> >> > bharat.
> >> >
> >> > On 4/26/11, Andrew Summers <asummers112@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > Hello,
> >> > > OK, I have just tryed it and it is
> rubbish.
> >> > > It is no way as accessible as the old
> yahoo
> >> mail.
> >> > > Why don't they ask us as blind people to
> test the
> >> site
> >> > before it goes live
> >> > > on the web?
> >> > > I don't like it!
> >> > > And I am a JAWS user.
> >> > >
> >> > > Andrew
> >> > >
> >> > > --- On Sat, 23/4/11, Victor Tsaran
> <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > From: Victor Tsaran <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > Subject: Re: [y-accessibility] New Yahoo
> Mail
> >> beta
> >> > > To: y-accessibility@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > > Date: Saturday, 23 April, 2011, 0:03
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi Rich,
> >> > > OK, a final request. Can you please send
> me the
> >> URL
> >> > that you are using when
> >> > > accessing the new beta?
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > > Victor
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Apr 22, 2011, at 6:53 AM, Rich
> Schwerdtfeger
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi Victor,
> >> > >
> >> > > I submitted feedback through the
> feedback form.
> >> The
> >> > general problem that is
> >> > > introduced in the new beta is I can no
> longer
> >> arrow
> >> > through the mail entries
> >> > > in each of the mail boxes. It works in
> the
> >> current
> >> > non-beta version.
> >> > >
> >> > > Rich
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Victor
> Tsaran
> >> <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Rich,
> >> > > We need more information obviously.
> Keyboard
> >> access
> >> > works for everyone we
> >> > > asked to repro the issue.
> >> > > Can you please submit your feedback to
> me
> >> personally
> >> > or through the
> >> > > "feedback" form?
> >> > > Thanks,
> >> > > Victor
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Apr 21, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Rich
> Schwerdtfeger
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Without. Users should be able to
> navigate mail,
> >> using
> >> > the keyboard, without
> >> > > a screen reader.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Rich
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Victor
> Tsaran
> >> <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > WIth or without a screen reader?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Apr 19, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Rich
> Schwerdtfeger
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > What happened to the keyboard access in
> the mail
> >> > boxes? I used to be able to
> >> > > move up and down the mail box with the
> arrow
> >> keys.
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Rich Schwerdtfeger
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Rich Schwerdtfeger
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Rich Schwerdtfeger
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >     y-accessibility-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>     y-accessibility-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > http://www.victortsaran.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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