[isalist] Re: OT: Mail Archive Law?
- From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 10:07:07 -0800
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Thanks...
t
On 12/8/06 9:44 AM, "Amy Babinchak" <amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh
to all:
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> Maybe this is the response to Author Anderson falling off the hook before they
> could get them in the boat? I hear that they were found innocent of the
> charges or course it's a too little too late thing for the company.
>
> IF you trust Vlad's opinion on what the law is. Here's his take.
>
>
> Take a look at Subdivision (f) which in street terms means "We ain't got it no
> mo... Nyah, Nyah"; I've boldfaced the relevant part... <bold doesn't come over
> to this list>
>
> Subdivision (f). Subdivision (f) is new. It
> focuses on a distinctive feature of computer
> operations, the routine alteration and deletion of
> information that attends ordinary use. Many steps
> essential to computer operation may alter or destroy
> information, for reasons that have nothing to do with
> how that information might relate to litigation. As a
> result, the ordinary operation of computer systems
> creates a risk that a party may lose potentially
> discoverable information without culpable conduct on
> its part. Under Rule 37(f), absent exceptional
> circumstances, sanctions cannot be imposed for loss
> of electronically stored information resulting from the
> routine, good-faith operation of an electronic
> information system.
>
>
>
> Rule 37(f) applies only to information lost due to
> the "routine operation of an electronic information
> system" -- the ways in which such systems are
> generally designed, programmed, and implemented to
> meet the party's technical and business needs. The
> "routine operation" of computer systems includes the
> alteration and overwriting of information, often without
> the operator's specific direction or awareness, a
> feature with no direct counterpart in hard-copy
> documents. Such features are essential to the
> operation of electronic information systems.
>
>
>
> Rule 37(f) applies to information lost due to the
> routine operation of an information system only if the
> operation was in good faith. Good faith in the routine
> operation of an information system may involve a
> party's intervention to modify or suspend certain
> features of that routine operation to prevent the loss of
> information, if that information is subject to a
> preservation obligation. A preservation obligation may
> arise from many sources, including common law,
> statutes, regulations, or a court order in the case. The
> good faith requirement of Rule 37(f) means that a party
> is not permitted to exploit the routine operation of an
> information system to thwart discovery obligations by
> allowing that operation to continue in order to destroy
> specific stored information that it is required to
> preserve. When a party is under a duty to preserve
> information because of pending or reasonably
> anticipated litigation, intervention in the routine
> operation of an information system is one aspect of
> what is often called a "litigation hold." Among the
> factors that bear on a party's good faith in the routine
> operation of an information system are the steps the
> party took to comply with a court order in the case or
> party agreement requiring preservation of specific
> electronically stored information.
>
>
> Whether good faith would call for steps to
> prevent the loss of information on sources that the
> party believes are not reasonably accessible under
> Rule 26(b)(2) depends on the circumstances of each
> case. One factor is whether the party reasonably
> believes that the information on such sources is likely
> to be discoverable and not available from reasonably
> accessible sources.
>
>
>
> The protection provided by Rule 37(f) applies
> only to sanctions "under these rules." It does not
> affect other sources of authority to impose sanctions
> or rules of professional responsibility.
>
>
> This rule restricts the imposition of "sanctions."
> It does not prevent a court from making the kinds of
> adjustments frequently used in managing discovery if
> a party is unable to provide relevant responsive
> information. For example, a court could order the
> responding party to produce an additional witness for
> deposition, respond to additional interrogatories, or
> make similar attempts to provide substitutes or
> alternatives for some or all of the lost information.
>
> -Vlad
>
> Amy Babinchak
>
> Harbor Computer Services
> (248) 546-6056 office
> (248) 890-1794 mobile
>
> http://isainsbs.blogspot.com
> http://www.harborcomputerservices.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 12:26 PM
> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isalist] Re: OT: Mail Archive Law?
>
> http://www.ISAserver.org
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> Well, there's some light reading there... ;) Thanks for the link. I'll
> read it this weekend...
>
> t
>
>
> On 12/8/06 9:21 AM, "Amy Babinchak" <amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh
> to all:
>
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>> Here is the actual amendment:
>> http://www.uscourts.gov/rules/EDiscovery_w_Notes.pdf
>>
>>
>> Amy Babinchak
>>
>> Harbor Computer Services
>> (248) 546-6056 office
>> (248) 890-1794 mobile
>>
>> http://isainsbs.blogspot.com
>> http://www.harborcomputerservices.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 12:16 PM
>> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [isalist] Re: OT: Mail Archive Law?
>>
>> http://www.ISAserver.org
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>> Nah-- after Newt Gingrich does away with the first amendment, people will
>> just stop sending email for fear of getting arrested. Particularly now that
>> Habeas Corpus is dead.
>>
>> I'll conform to the law though... I'll store all emails and IM's I send, but
>> I'll have to overwrite old ones when I run out of space on my 3.5 floppy ;)
>>
>> t
>>
>>
>> On 12/8/06 9:09 AM, "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh to
>> all:
>>
>>> http://www.ISAserver.org
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>>> Are they going to pay for the 300TB storage array?
>>>
>>> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
>>> Site: www.isaserver.org
>>> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
>>> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
>>> MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
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>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 11:08 AM
>>>> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [isalist] Re: OT: Mail Archive Law?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ISAserver.org
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>>>> Sounds like DHS (AKA 1950's McCarthyism revisited) is on a
>>>> roll again..?
>>>> Since MSIT is likely to be severely impacted, I'll ask around...
>>>>
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>>>> Jim Harrison
>>>> MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
>>>> http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
>>>> http://isatools.org
>>>> Read the help / books / articles!
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>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor
>>>> (Hammer of God)
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 08:56
>>>> To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [isalist] OT: Mail Archive Law?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ISAserver.org
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>>>> Greets: Hope everyone is having a good Friday.
>>>>
>>>> I heard on the news something about a new law (US) requiring
>>>> companies to archive all employee email and IM. Can't find
>>>> anything concrete. Anyone know what the skinny is?
>>>>
>>>> t
>>>>
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