Re: How BAD is SQL on ISA?
- From: "cismic" <cismic@xxxxxxx>
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- Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:14:03 -0800
Hi All,
BCP is a good option. However before you use BCP to import logs you have to
use the PREPLOG function from the resource kit to remove the # lines form
the logs. BCP won't import that information. I have scripts that Jim has
on his site that will import to SQL databases. Included are the TSQL
procedures to insert rows and the table layouts. I will try and get my
scripts to Jim that also will import the Packet and Firewall logs.
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: Quillman Shawn (RBNA/CIT1.1) [mailto:Shawn.Quillman@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:12 AM
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I had a DTS package at one point that did this (I think). Let me go see if
I can find it.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Harrison [ISAQFE] [mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:02 AM
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Subject: [isalist] Re: How BAD is SQL on ISA?
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Actually, a BCP script that grabs yesterday's logs would be very useful.
Who's a SQL guru here?
Jim Harrison
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From: "William Robertson" <william.robertson@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 23:02
Subject: [isalist] Re: How BAD is SQL on ISA?
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Ok everybody, I think I get the picture. The bottom line is that I shouldn't
consider compromising my ISA Configuration by installing SQL Server.
On the other hand, I am still not entirely convinced that I want to get ISA
Server to log directly to a different server, because if anything happens on
the network or that other server, then my ISA server won't be able to log
and thus all Internet Surfing will be compromised, if not disabled.
In light of this, I propose the following, leave ISA Server to log to flat
files, and then every morning I run a batch script to "archive" the previous
days logs into a SQL Server database on a different server. As far as I can
tell this is possibly my best approach, except for the fact that the
importing data from the logfiles into SQL could become quite hairy.
I see that Jim Harrison has a script on his website that will apparently do
just this, but it is unfortunately only for the WEB Proxy logs, so I was
wondering if anybody out there actually has some .vbs & .sql scripts that
will cater for all 3 logfiles?
Cheers
William R.
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From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 14 January 2003 20:21 PM
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Hi Jim, et. al.,
SQL logging puts a considerable performance hit on the server, and if you're
hosting the database on the ISA Server itself, you may hit the glass ceiling
:-)
Tom
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Harrison [mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:44 AM
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Generally speaking, stick to your "least privileges" concept; you can't go
wrong there. Perf, vulnerabilities and user rights become harder to control
when you have multiple users accessing your firewall; even if only for SQL
usage.
If $$ pushes you into that train track of thought, then make sure you: 1.
set a strong password for the "sa" account and control database access
permissions with an iron fist 2. don't provide direct access to the SQL
admin account from outside (no direct SQL calls); no PF for SQL access! 3.
remove any master-db SP and XP that you don't need for normal SQL
operations; many vulnerabilities have been found therein. 4. No one, but NO
ONE except the server admin gets administrative access to the SQL services!
Jim Harrison
MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
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----- Original Message -----
From: "William Robertson" <robertson.william@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 02:11
Subject: [isalist] How BAD is SQL on ISA?
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Hi there
I live in a principle of least privileges and so I do not install anything
on my ISA Server which is not absolutely CRUCIAL to the survival of my
Firewalling Strategy.
However, I have been considering the option to start logging all ISA
requests to a SQL Database as opposed to flat files which is currently the
default logging method.
If I was to do this then I would like to keep the ISA Firewall independant
of any other server and as a result I would need to install SQL Server onto
my ISA Firewall.
What I would like to know is this:
1) Is it at all a good idea to install a product such as SQL Server onto my
ISA Firewall?
2) How robust is ISA when it comes to logging to a SQL Database as opposed
to the flat files?
3) How will it impact any Server Publishing rules that I have already
created on port 1433 (SQL Server)?
Cheers
William R.
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