Oh yea, check out that page's second paragraph. This is a common buzzword for network criminal mentality. What firewall's aren't restrictive? Isn't that the point of having a firewall? Isn't that the point of having network security? Sheesh. Thomas W Shinder, M.D. Site: www.isaserver.org <http://www.isaserver.org/> Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/ Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 <http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7> MVP -- ISA Firewalls **Who is John Galt?**