This is a very interesting article: http://www.securitypipeline.com/165700439 I'll forgive the guy for thinking of high speed packet filters as the only type of "firewall" and some other conceptual blubobs. We can also ignore the title, since there are still firewalls segmenting different security perimeters, which is the thrust of the current article series on the www.isaserver.org Web site, and two more article series showing some other ways to do network security perimeter segmentation using ISA firewalls. What's interesting is that only the servers and other core network assets are protected and only to and from these assets are strong network access controls enforce. All the clients are considered untrusted, and sit behind an Internet router that lets everything in and out. I suppose this guy has a lot of public addresses to get away with this, but some companys have hundreds and thousands and tens of thousands to throw around. I'm going to chew on this idea some more, and see if I can tell a good ISA firewall story around it. It certainly would solve the "Open Port" button issue. Tom Thomas W Shinder, M.D. Site: www.isaserver.org Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/ Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 MVP -- ISA Firewalls **Who is John Galt?**