Some of you may have seen this on another list but it does look like we are getting the respect we deserve. Moreover the product is earning the respect and rightly so. Just wait till 2004 hits big time then we'll be rolling in it. :) Excerpt from firewall thread, there were more like this too "For appliances we go with Sonicwall, just grab the one that suits your needs, 4-5k at most For software I think only ISA is in the game right now, pricewise and configuration wise.. " Greg