I said to UNBIND the filter from the protocol, NOT disable the Web proxy filter. You will want the Web proxy filter to work for the Web proxy client connections. Thomas W Shinder, M.D. Site: www.isaserver.org Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/ Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 MVP -- ISA Firewalls **Who is John Galt?** > -----Original Message----- > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:25 PM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > YOU DID!! THE KB DID!! > > >When you unbind the Web proxy filter from the HTTP protocol, > it has the > >untoward effect that you observed -- the HTTP security configuration > >interface disappears. HOWEVER, that does NOT mean that its > not working. > >All the settings you have created so far are still in effect for Web > >proxy clients. > > That's the only thing bound to the damn protocol! Why are > you doing this to > me? What did I ever do to you (that you found out about)????? > > FFS! > > t > > > > ----- > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger." > John T > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:24 PM > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > DUDE, > > Who said to disable the Web proxy filter????? > > Tom > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D. > Site: www.isaserver.org > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/ > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 > MVP -- ISA Firewalls > **Who is John Galt?** > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:17 PM > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > OK- some of you guys may be tired of this, but this is > > important stuff and > > has ISA-Server wide configuration consequences. > > > > According to http://support.microsoft.com/kb/838368/en-us > > disabling the Web > > Proxy Filter *does indeed* disable the HTTP filter: > > > > <snip> > > Click the Parameters tab, click to clear the Web Proxy Filter > > check box > > under Application Filters, and then click OK. > > > > Important If you disable the Web Proxy Filter, ISA Server > > 2004 no longer > > performs HTTP content inspection. > > </snip> > > > > Not knowing who to believe, I tested it myself. I configured > > the HTTP > > filter on my outbound web rule to only allow GET requests. I > > tested a POST, > > and it failed appropriately. I then unbound the Web Proxy > > Filter from HTTP > > (and applied). Without refreshing the Firewall client, I > > immediately tried > > again. The POST still failed, leading one to think that the > > HTTP filter was > > still being applied. However, upon refreshing the Firewall > > client, the > > request went right through, even in the presence of the > > rule's HTTP Filter > > configured to only allow GET. > > > > Unbinding the Web Proxy Filter from HTTP *disables* the > HTTP Filter / > > content filtering. That blows. > > > > This whole business brings into question the Direct Access > > functionality for > > external sites altogether. While I see the value for > internal sites, > > reading KB's on how to set up Direct Access for FWC's states > > nowhere that > > for it to work you have to unbind the Web Proxy Filter from > > HTTP. Yet it > > is clear in packet traces that leaving it bound to HTTP makes > > ISA proxy the > > connection anyway. > > > > Further, setting up a custom HTTP rule works for establishing the > > connection, but once ISA determines that the content is HTTP, > > it still > > applies the filter to it. So you can't leave the Web Proxy > > Filter bound to > > HTTP and make a custom rule above your normal rule for a > > particular site and > > have it work. It even shows in the log that "HTTP (Custom)" is the > > initialized rule, but "http" (note the lower case) is used > > for the "Outbound > > HTTP" rule. > > > > What are the other "work arounds" mentioned? Jim, you've > > been strangely > > silent on this one-- anything to offer here? Typically when > > you don't get > > involved it's 'cause you've got the super-secret info. > > > > t > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger." > > John T > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:40 PM > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > OK you, > > > > Anybody else, and I'd tell 'em to RTFM, but one day I may > come to you > > and ask a favor. > > > > When you unbind the Web proxy filter from the HTTP protocol, > > it has the > > untoward effect that you observed -- the HTTP security configuration > > interface disappears. HOWEVER, that does NOT mean that its > > not working. > > All the settings you have created so far are still in effect for Web > > proxy clients. > > > > However, machines that aren't explicitly configured as Web proxy > > clients, will not be exposed to the Web proxy filter or the > Web proxy > > filter extension that is the HTTP security filter. When the > Web proxy > > filter is enabled, it automaticaly forwards the SecureNAT > and Firewall > > client connections to the Web proxy filter, so that even though they > > aren't explicitly configured as Web proxy clients, they can still > > benefit from the security and performance enhancments you > get from the > > Web proxy filter and its extensions. > > > > If you want to make changes to the HTTP security filter, go > > to the HTTP > > protocol and rebind the filter. You don't need to apply the > changes to > > the firewall policy. Then right click any rule that > includes the HTTP > > protocol and you'll see the Configure HTTP option again. > Then make the > > changes you want to the filter settings, then go back and > > unbind the Web > > proxy filter from the HTTP protocol. Apply the changes to > the firewall > > policy and you're good. > > > > There's another way to do this, but this is my way. :) There's a KB > > article on an alternate approach if you want to take the highway. > > > > Tom > > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D. > > Site: www.isaserver.org > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/ > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 > > MVP -- ISA Firewalls > > **Who is John Galt?** > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:19 PM > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > Unbinding the Web Proxy Filter from HTTP worked. However, I > > > can no longer > > > "Configure HTTP" anywhere, on any rule. I tried what Steve > > > suggested, which > > > is to create an allow rule for the site, but you can't unbind > > > Web Proxy > > > Filter from an individual rule - ( thanks for nuttin, > > > Moffat!!! ;) all you > > > can do is "Configure HTTP." Hell, I even tried a custom HTTP > > > Protocol > > > Definition (with no filtering at all) and it still doesn't work. > > > > > > While I could still access the web via clients specifically > > > set to use a > > > proxy, why would my HTTP filter configuration options go away > > > because I > > > unbound the Web Proxy Filter? > > > > > > Is there no other way to do this???? > > > > > > t > > > > > > ----- > > > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger." > > > John T > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:07 PM > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site > > > > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > The FWC will stuff use the Web proxy filter if the Web > > proxy filter is > > > still bound to the HTTP protocol. There are a number of > > > workarounds, but > > > the one I use because it's the easiest :) is to just > unbind the Web > > > proxy filter from the HTTP protocol and then configure > the sites for > > > Direct Access. > > > > > > This enables me to continue to benefit from the Web proxy > > > filter and its > > > HTTP security filter for Web proxy client connections > > > (machines that are > > > explicitly configured as Web proxy clients) and bypass > the Web proxy > > > filter for all SecureNAT (SecureNET) and FWC connections. > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D. > > > Site: www.isaserver.org > > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/ > > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 > > > MVP -- ISA Firewalls > > > **Who is John Galt?** > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:59 PM > > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site > > > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > > > That what I was saying to myself... the "Via" tells all. But > > > > check it-- > > > > I've got both the IP and the *.domain.com in the direct > > > > access tab for the > > > > source (listening) network config, I've got the firewall > > > > client loaded and > > > > refreshed, I've unchecked "use proxy" on the firewall client > > > > config for the > > > > network config, I've made sure the client is not set to use a > > > > proxy in IE. > > > > > > > > Yet, the capture stills says "Via." > > > > > > > > WTF now? > > > > > > > > t > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger." > > > > John T > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:44 PM > > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > > > That's NOT a DIRECT ACCESS connection! > > > > > > > > Thomas W Shinder, M.D. > > > > Site: www.isaserver.org > > > > Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/ > > > > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 > > > > MVP -- ISA Firewalls > > > > **Who is John Galt?** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:41 PM > > > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site > > > > > > > > > > <p align=\"left\"><b><font face=\"Arial\" size=\"2\">GFI > > > > > MailSecurity's HTML threat engine found HTML scripts in this > > > > > email and has disabled > > > them.</font></b></p>http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > > > > > So, I've basically honed it down to this. Here is what we > > > > get on the > > > > > external interface after the client issues the POST for the > > > > > tracking number: > > > > > > > > > > HTTP/1.1.100.Continue..Server:.Microsoft-IIS/5.0..Date:.Tue,.1 > > > > > 7.Jan.2006.21:03:46.GMT.... > > > > > -then- > > > > > HTTP/1.1.200.OK..Server:.Microsoft-IIS/5.0..Date:.Tue,.17.Jan. > > > > 2006.21:03:46.GMT..Connection:.close..Content-> > > > > Type:.text/html..............<HTML>......<HEAD>..........<META > > > > > .http-equiv="Expires".content="0">..........<META.http-equiv=" > > > > > Pragma".content="no-cache">..........<META.http-equiv="Cache-C > > > > > ontrol".content="no-cache">.........<LINK.type="text/css".href > > > > > ="include/master.css" > > > > > > .rel="stylesheet">..........<SCRIPT.type="text/javascript".src=" > > > > > > include/form_validation.js"></XCRIPT>..........<SCRIPT.type="tex > > > > > > t/javascript".src="include/multi_onload.js"></XCRIPT>..........< > > > > > > TITLE>IPT,.LLC.</TITLE>......</HEAD>......<BODY.leftmargin="0".m > > > > > > arginheight="0".marginwidth="0".topmargin="0">..............<TAB > > > > > LE.width="100%".border="0".cellspacing="0".cellpadding="0">... > > > > > ...........<TR> > > > > > > > > > > -- with the rest of the page following. > > > > > > > > > > But on the internal interface, this is what goes to > the client: > > > > > > > > > > HTTP/1.1.100.Continue..Via:.1.1.ISA-VPN..Date:.Tue,.17.Jan.200 > > > > > 6.21:25:31.GMT..Server:.Microsoft-IIS/5.0... > > > > > . > > > > > HTTP/1.1.200.OK..Via:.1.1.ISA-VPN..Connection:.close..Proxy-Co > > > > nnection:.close..Date:.Tue,.17.Jan.2006.21:25:31.GMT..Content- > > > > Type:.text > > > > /html..Server:.Microsoft-> IIS/5.0.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that's it. It dies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WTF? Anyone? Beuller? Anyone? > > > > > > > > > > t > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger." > > > > > John T > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:09 PM > > > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > > > > > > > That's my next step. I've compared captures from > > > > > direct/ISA (which was a > > > > > > waste of time) but now I'll have to see what I get in front > > > > > and behind > > > > > > ISA. Working on it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > t > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger." > > > > > > John T > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" > <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:41 AM > > > > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Continued issues with particular site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > > > > > > > Got captures? > > > > > > We can determine a *lot* from a two-sided capture... > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Jim Harrison > > > > > > MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG > > > > > > http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ > > > > > > http://isatools.org > > > > > > Read the help / books / articles! > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 09:06 > > > > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > > > > > > Subject: [isalist] Continued issues with particular site > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > > > > > > > > > > I've still not been able to solve the problem with this one > > > > > particular > > > > > > page on a site we must use to track service calls. My > > > > > users can log on to > > > > > > the site fine, and access parts of the site, but when we > > > > go to this > > > > > > particular page to track issues by number, it comes up with > > > > > a blank page. > > > > > > > > > > > > "View Source" shows the right tags, <HTML> through </HTML>, > > > > > but there is > > > > > > no content. Accessing outside of ISA works fine. I've > > > > > tried FW Client, > > > > > > Proxy Client, changing authentication on both the rule and > > > > > the network > > > > > > proxy listener, entering "Direct Access," etc, removing the > > > > > HTTP filter, > > > > > > etc and nothing works. > > > > > > > > > > > > The logs show the site being accessed properly, though the > > > > > page is blank. > > > > > > > > > > > > Where to turn? 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