RE: Allowing MSN Messenger thru ISA
- From: "Jason Merrique" <j.merrique@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:00:45 +0100
Hi Jim,
> Consider this:
> 1 - you have DNS-based wpad in place (best of three options)
Done
> 2 - you *can* set "automatic detection" in both IE and the FWC
Centrally? Or do I need to do it manually on each computer, as seems the
case?
> 3 - doing so alleviates the requirement for user JoeBob to
> change any settings at all.
> ..what's not to like?
The lack of centralised control.....
>
> Jim Harrison
> MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
> http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
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>
> On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 11:16:45 +0100
> "Jason Merrique" <j.merrique@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> http://www.ISAserver.org
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> Wpad is in place, and the FWC automatically finds the ISA
> firewall. It's just set to "Manually select ISA server"
> rather than "Automatically Detect ISA Server". I'm not trying
> to set the "Internet Network Properties" I was referring to
> the properties of the "Internal Network"
> as defined in ISA 2004. My point was that once the FWC is
> deployed, you don't have any control over its configuration.
> If that configuration for some reason is incorrect (as in my
> case) you just cannot change it. It would be brilliant if
> there was a GPO to admin MSFWC.
>
> >From my experience, keeping as much hidden from the user as
> possible is
> the best way to avoid unnecessary call outs. Why would you
> allow them to change the settings?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jason
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 07 July 2004 15:46
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: Allowing MSN Messenger thru ISA
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > Hi Jason,
> >
> > I'm testing it right now, and the autodetect option is selected by
> > default. With the wpad entry in place, the firewall client
> > automatically finds the ISA firewall. You don't need to set the
> > Internet network properties to force this option, its just
> the default
> > coded into the installer for the Firewall client.
> >
> > Believe me, you DO NOT want to disable the users' ability
> to control
> > the firewall client behavior. You can remove the icon from
> the tray,
> > but you'll be in a world of hurt if you disable their ability to
> > enable or disable it when required.
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Tom
> > www.isaserver.org/shinder
> > Get the book!
> > Tom and Deb Shinder's Configuring ISA Server 2004
> > http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > MVP -- ISA Firewalls
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason Merrique [mailto:j.merrique@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:45 AM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: Allowing MSN Messenger thru ISA
> >
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > I'm trying to enforce the "Automatically Detect ISA Server"
> settings.
> > The default appears to be "Manually select ISA server". This is
> > selected despite the fact that the correct server is
> displayed in the
> > "Detected ISA Server" text box! WSPAD is functioning correctly, and
> > all clients can detect the server without any problems.
> >
> > The "Internal Properties" don't seem to have a setting that
> enforces
> > the automatic detection. I'm running ISA 2004 Beta 2.
> >
> > Also, while I'm on the subject - how would one prevent the user
> > changing the settings themselves?
> >
> > It all seems a little messy at the moment!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: 07 July 2004 15:28
> > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Allowing MSN Messenger thru ISA
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > Hi Jason,
> > >
> > > What kind of Registry hacks are required? You can change
> them at the
> > > ISA firewall. What settings are you trying to control?
> > >
> > > Tom
> > > www.isaserver.org/shinder
> > > Get the book!
> > > Tom and Deb Shinder's Configuring ISA Server 2004
> > > http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > > MVP -- ISA Firewalls
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jason Merrique [mailto:j.merrique@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:15 AM
> > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Allowing MSN Messenger thru ISA
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > The problem then occurs after it has been installed -
> there's no way
> > > to control the FWC settings other than through Registry hacks
> > as far as I
> > > can see.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: josephk [mailto:josephk@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: 07 July 2004 12:45
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Allowing MSN Messenger thru ISA
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > Hi Thomas,
> > > > That's what I was saying the other day!
> > > > Why not install the firewall client in an administrative
> > share mode.
> > > > And then if using AD you could assign it to the groups
> that need
> > > > to download it and provide that feature in that way.
> Or by having
> > > > the install done in the start up script on a one time
> basis would
> > > > also work.
> > > > Easier on the admins that way.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > >
> > > > Joseph
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 4:36 AM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Allowing MSN Messenger thru ISA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > Hi Atif,
> > > >
> > > > Yes, there is a workaround. Create an application filter
> > > (or have your
> > > > C++ programmers create it) to support the IM protocols
> > for SecureNAT
> > > > clients. Then make some money by selling that filter to
> > > everyone else
> > > > who doesn't want to install the firewall client.
> > > >
> > > > Did you know that you can automate firewall client installation?
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > > www.isaserver.org/shinder <http://www.isaserver.org/shinder>
> > > > Get the book!
> > > > Tom and Deb Shinder's Configuring ISA Server 2004
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 <http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7> MVP -- ISA
> > > > Firewalls
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: mathif@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:mathif@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:39 AM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Allowing MSN Messenger thru ISA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Actually, I have tried that script on 2 ISA
> SERVER's, one on
> > > > Integerated Mode and other on Cached Mode and eventually, it
> > > > didn't work on Cached Mode.
> > > >
> > > > Since, we don't use the Firewall Client, IM's
> are not working
> > > > either and the point is clear now, if I got to use IM
> then I have
> > > > to use Firewall Client, thanks for the information, but again I
> > > > feel like there should be some workaround.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all the suggestions.
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Athif
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jim Harrison [mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > <mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:37 PM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Allowing MSN Messenger thru ISA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org <http://www.ISAserver.org>
> > > >
> > > > The script REQUIRES the firewall client on the
> LAT host.
> > > > Web Proxy clients are NOT affected by these
> policy changes, since
> > > > the web proxy only handles HTTP(s), FTP and Gopher (note that NO
> > > >
> > > > IM protocols are listed here).
> > > > You login problems are likely related to some
> other failure.
> > > > In one mail, you tried to run the script on a
> Cache mode ISA; is
> > > > this a separate ISA or did you reinstall in Integrated mode with
> > > >
> > > > the same network model in place?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jim Harrison
> > > > MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver
> > > > <http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver>
> > > >
> > > > http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison
> > > > <http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison>
> > > > http://isatools.org <http://isatools.org>
> > > >
> > > > Read the help, books and articles!
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <mathif@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]"
> <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:07
> > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Allowing MSN Messenger thru ISA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org <http://www.ISAserver.org>
> > > >
> > > > Jim, Thanks a lot for the answer.So this script
> wont work without
> > > > the Firewall Client. Actually, we don't have
> > Firewall Client
> > > > installed at our network.
> > > >
> > > > I have tried to run MSNIM.zip successfully in
> ISA Integerated
> > > > mode, but still I am unable to log in MSN Messneger. Jim do you
> > > > have any work around for this, because, even if the
> script creates
> > > > all the rules then why cant web proxy client access MSN
> > > > Messenger??
> > > >
> > > > Will this script work only if we have Firewall
> client installed??
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your time,
> > > > AThif
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jim Harrison [mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > <mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > <mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > ]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 7:58 PM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Allowing MSN Messenger thru ISA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org <http://www.ISAserver.org>
> > > > <http://www.ISAserver.org <http://www.ISAserver.org> >
> > > >
> > > > Cache mode doesn't support IM complex features
> like voice, app
> > > > sharing, etc. The script can't run in that environment
> > > because all the
> > > > changes it makes depend on Firewall features.
> > > >
> > > > Jim Harrison
> > > > MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver
> > > > <http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver>
> > > >
> > > > <http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver
> > > > <http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver> >
> > > > http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison
> > > > <http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison>
> > > > <http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison
> > > > <http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison> >
> > > > http://isatools.org <http://isatools.org>
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> > > > <http://isatools.org> >
> > > >
> > > > Read the help, books and articles!
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <mathif@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]"
> <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 09:18
> > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Allowing MSN Messenger thru ISA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org <http://www.ISAserver.org>
> > > > <http://www.ISAserver.org <http://www.ISAserver.org> >
> > > >
> > > > We have a large network and we have to install
> that on each
> > > > machine, instead we prefer direct web proxy...and so we
> > have avoided
> > > > firewall cleint.. one more question, i am tyring to run
> MSNIM.zip
> > > > on ISA cached mode, but it fails?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Athif
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > <mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > <mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx> > ]
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 6:36 PM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Allowing MSN Messenger thru ISA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org <http://www.ISAserver.org>
> > > > <http://www.ISAserver.org <http://www.ISAserver.org> >
> > > >
> > > > Why are you not using the Firewall client?
> > > > Tom
> > > > <http://www.isaserver.org/shinder
> > > > <http://www.isaserver.org/shinder>
> > > <http://www.isaserver.org/shinder
> > > > <http://www.isaserver.org/shinder> > >
> www.isaserver.org/shinder
> > > > <www.isaserver.org/shinder> Get the book! Tom and Deb
> Shinder's
> > > > Configuring ISA Server 2004 <http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > > > <http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7> <http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > > > <http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7> > > http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > > > <http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7> <http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
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> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: mathif@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:mathif@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > <mailto:mathif@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:mathif@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > <mailto:mathif@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > ]
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 6:18 AM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Allowing MSN Messenger thru ISA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org <http://www.ISAserver.org>
> > > > <http://www.ISAserver.org <http://www.ISAserver.org> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We don't use Firewall Client, its rather direct
> Web Proxy
> > > > Client.. Any thougts?? Cheers, Athif
> > > >
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