Again, it's not an ISA issue, but one for AD. AD schema changes cannot be "rolled back". I've heard rumors to the effect that W2K2 is supposed to answer that, but I don't see it happening for W2K; it's too much of a base-functionality change. Jim Harrison MCP(2K), A+, Network+, PCG ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dellanno" <david@xxxxxxxxxx> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:02 AM Subject: [isalist] RE: AD errors and ISA EE installation http://www.ISAserver.org Will running "ISA Server Enterprise Initialization' wizard more then once cause any problems or this is not a recommended step? I feel comfortable that a wizard would perform modifications on the AD's schema, but I would love to see if Microsoft would come with a 'Undo' feature for this wizard, it would give us a more flexible ability to return a production network back to its original state. JMO Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:08 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: AD errors and ISA EE installation http://www.ISAserver.org One of the drawbacks to extending the schema is that you can only disable, not delete those changes. Even rmisa can't help you there; it only removes the ISA bits from the local machine. If you believe your schema is hosed and you have backups, then by all means; go back to what makes you happy. Jim Harrison MCP(2K), A+, Network+, PCG ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dellanno" <david@xxxxxxxxxx> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 06:47 Subject: [isalist] RE: AD errors and ISA EE installation http://www.ISAserver.org Hi Jim, I ment to ask, if applied the ISA's Schema policy to the AD, before installing ISA, does that 'rmisa.exe' help in anyway to reset the AD's Schema policy or just simply make sure we have a backup of the Domain Controller's system files and restore it from there? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:57 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: AD errors and ISA EE installation http://www.ISAserver.org Hi Tom, I haven't personally seen any of these issues either (lots of Enterprise installs), but then I've had full control of the installed software base. I have seen quite a few "my ISA AD installation seems hosed" entries on the list, though. Jim Harrison MCP(2K), A+, Network+, PCG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas W. Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 22:57 Subject: [isalist] RE: AD errors and ISA EE installation http://www.ISAserver.org Hi Jim, Good sleuthing! I would add another piece of advise regarding SP2 installation. Make sure that you install SP2 *before* ISA Server, since there have been a number of anecdotal reports of things now working quite right after installing SP2. I haven't had any problems, but I sometimes get lucky with these things :-) Thanks! Tom www.isaserver.org/shinder -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:15 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] AD errors and ISA EE installation http://www.ISAserver.org Found an interesting article today that may answer some of the AD schema issues that have crept into some hapless folks' ISA servers during installation into an AD structure. http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q303/0/77.ASP Bear in mind that this only affect Enterprise Edition and then only if you're installing in Enterprise mode (AD-integrated; you know, arrays). It appears that there is a rare bug in AD that sometimes creeps in when schema changes are made, corrupting the schema and making installation of schema-dependent (read: ISA) application problematic at best. According to this article, the bug was fixed in SP2, but since it's not 'officially' required for ISA installation, it doesn't get applied until the damage (if any) is already done. My take on it? If you're installing ISA Enterprise Edition in Enterprise Mode (AD-based), then apply W2K SP2 before you run the ISA schema wizard. If you're not using ISA Enterprise Edition or you're installing either version in standalone mode, install it anyway. If nothing else, it includes the post-SP1 fix that came on the ISA CD. -- Jim Harrison MCP(2K), A+, Network+, PCG ------------------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub') ------------------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub') ------------------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: david@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub') ------------------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub') ------------------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub') ------------------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to this ISAserver.org Discussion List as: jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub')