[PCB_FORUM] Re: panelization in Allegro PSD15.1 (recap & update)
- From: Baumstark Michael-EMB043 <M.Baumstark@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,"'paul_lapointe@xxxxxxxxx'" <paul_lapointe@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:53:57 -0400
PCB forum, Les Wong and Paul L.:
Paul, yes it sounds like you have the details exactly correct. Yes, it is
MS-Ware developed and introduced by the French team and it will cost Extra,
just to recap. your statement again. I saw a demonstration of the tool last
week: if it is SKILL based that is fine, but it is running directly and
interactively from within Allegro just as if you were managing an Allegro
design. It will do exactly what you need to compose a panelized array
constructed in-house: added mechanical parts( ie. pre-defined detail
drawings,etc.), drop in text-from file, dimensioning, (mirroring, rotating,
stepping of PCB images, also different PCB images), automated but manual
invocation for the updating of added features, (but still the same convention
as updating to master library), After a few pointed questions, it appears that
there are a few deficiencies that are presently being addressed and 1or 2
aspects that could justify Service Requests for enhancement. Perhaps, that is
why Cadence may b!
e keeping it low on the radar, for now. But I really liked what I saw since it
adequately fills that long-standing gap! I have been on and off this tool set
since 1997 and the final post processing has always needed more attention;
perhaps now it is debut-time. If it is not prime time now, it seems very very
close, perhaps as soon as a breather follows the 15.2 release. We will
certainly see.
Sincerely yours,
Michael Baumstark
Staff PCB Designer - BSEE, CID+
Motorola - Advanced Product Technology Center
-----Original Message-----
From: paul_lapointe@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:paul_lapointe@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:36 PM
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Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: panelization in Allegro PSD15.1
Talked to Cadence about ObjectCam. It seems that it's a SKILL program developed
by their people in Paris. They market various SKILL tool options under the name
msWare. It is not free either.
Thanks
Paul Lapointe
Manager PCB Design
Mitel
613-592-2122
Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get
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-Robert A. Heinlein
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FYI....
When I loaded 15.x (I loaded all of the products and I believe this loaded
with the OrCAD stuff) a program called IntelliCAD 2001 was loaded on my
machine. It looks like a simple mechanical CAD package.....
It loaded in "D:\cadence\PSD_15.1\IntelliCAD 2001\icad.exe"
It does not seem to require a license....
-----Original Message-----
From: Les Wong [mailto:maveric0@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 12:08 PM
To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: panelization in Allegro PSD15.1
Michael:
I don't see anything about ObjectCam on
the Cadence web site ?
Les Wong
--- Baumstark Michael-EMB043
<M.Baumstark@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Dave, Kevin, Shannon:
>
> Looking at a few of the User-group threads on
> panelization, I have seen no reference whatsoever
> to the Cadence ObjectCAM tool. It's primary purpose
> is to enable panelization and other documentation
> typical of post process data outputs. This is a
> tool built right into the Allegro engine; although,
> there may be a slight up-charge to acquire the
> activated feature. An ObjectCAM detailed panel is a
> slightly modified .brd file which contains multiple
> instances of the individual PCB (pcb.brd file). The
> PCBs can be rotated, mirrored if so required for
> mixed arrays, and may also contain other pcbx.brd
> images.
>
> I am surprised that Cadence has not provided
> information about these tools to Customers that are
> inquiring about this capability. Mentor Graphics is
> robust on this aspect of CAD design, so that should
> create incentive alone. But then again some things
> may not be widely supported in order to achieve
> higher priority solutions, such as
> silicon-package-board robustness along with the
> remarkable use of Constraint management and tightly integrated
> simulation capabilities. But I bet if you Ask, it will be shown to
> you. Perhaps a Cadence A.E. will be motivated to provide a Webinar
> specifically about ObjectCam for all of those needing to
> construct panelized arrays in-house. Unfortunately,
> for the sake of in-house panelization needs, an
> estimated 95%, of the Cadence-CAD users do not
> necessarily require in-house panelization, so
> perhaps it has not received enough grass-roots
> attention as a significa
nt priority item.
>
> We require this capability in some aspects of our
> business, so it is an important feature to provide.
> ObjectCam has been around at least 18 months now and
> from what I understand has been further enhanced
> from the first time we have seen a demonstration of
> its functionality. We are not active users of
> ObjectCAM at this moment so cannot respond first
> hand on the specifics of functionality; however, it
> is in our best interest to be fully apprised of all
> CAD vendor's latest capabilities, as well as the
> shortfalls. If more people/companies would do this
> in earnest, the bar would continue to be raised for
> the CAD vendors performance. Ultimately, the CAD
> vendors will be compelled to over-come their
> deficiencies in order to hold their market share of
> eligible customers or else that market share will be
> taken by the vendor that, can and does, deliver what
> the customer wants.
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Michael Baumstark
>
> Staff PCB Designer - BSEE, CID+
> Motorola - Advanced Product Technology Center
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Seymour
> [mailto:dave.seymour@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:56 AM
> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: FW: Re: panelization in
> Allegro PSD15.1
>
>
> An alternative:
>
> On the fab drawing, have a note that says "Vendor to
> panelize as shown
> in "Detail X"." Then draw how you would like pcb
> panelized.
> Showing only the detail necessary for the correct
> orientation and overall
> panel size, etc.... Don't show the
> copper/silkscreen/etc.
>
> The board outline can be stepped and repeated in a
> pattern and changed to
> a different layer for manipulation of break away
> tabs, external tooling holes
> and whatever.
>
> This gets around the problems of having multiple
> routed PCBs in the same database.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> dave
>
>
>
>
> Abel, Shannon K. wrote:
>
>
> I have inquired to cadence about this issue. And
> have submitted request for them to look at
> incorporating this into their software.
>
> We achieve panelization by exporting a IDF (PTC)
> file from allegro for use in PRO/Engineer. After
> importing this into Pro/Engineer We add the
> necessary webs and tabs etc. It is a fairly easy
> process.
>
> After consulting with the fab house they prefer to
> have this information in the odb++ file that we send
> them, but unfortunately since allegro doesn't allow
> this they create their step and repeat in accordance
> with our drawing. We have developed a good
> relationship with our fab houses in order to
> determine the max panel size / board ratio etc.
>
> Shannon K. Abel
>
> PWB Designer/Detailer
>
> Northrop Grumman / Marine Systems, PCS Division.
>
> 7301 Sykesville Road
>
> Sykesville, MD. 21784
>
> * 410.552.2818
>
> * shannon.abel@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:shannon.abel@xxxxxxx>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Kevin McCowan [ SMTP:kmccowan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:SMTP:kmccowan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ]
>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:25 AM
>
> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: panelization in Allegro
> PSD15.1
>
> We just had a query about this last week.
>
> There are no panelization tools in Allegro (at least
> none I
>
> know of). Normally I, and I think many of us, use
> the board house
>
> to panelize our designs. If you really wish to do
> the panelization
>
> yourself you should get a gerber editor such as
> Gerbtool. It
>
> will have all of the tools necessary to create
> whatever panel
>
> sizes and configurations you need.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Kevin McCowan
>
> Sr PCB Designer
>
> TSI Telsys
>
> Kesavan wrote:
>
>
>
> /Hi all,/
>
> / /Pls support on panelization in Allegro
> PSD15.1. How to use
>
> reuse Module?. Pls help me.
>
>
>
> / /
>
> //
>
>
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>
> *T.Kesavan*,
>
> HCL Peripherals,
>
>
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