Yes, concept use pin numbers for swapping (have a look at your chips.prt file, it is defined here). For me, pin label is just a "free text". What have you give for the value of pin_label? If this is the signame of the wire attached, not a good idea for swapping; also i know that "IO_17" is not usefull for fpga's (is your chip fpga?) Be aware that if the chip must be "frozen" at the end of your design (fpga's...) you will heave an action for it. Good day, Jean-Charles (France) -------- Message d'origine-------- De: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx de la part de Vince Di Lello Date: ven. 09/12/2005 22:43 À: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Objet : [PCB_FORUM] Concept / Allegro Pin Swapping Good afternoon all, We are using Concept here and have a chip with swappable I/O pins. The engineer has set up the IC with swappable pins for the I/O pins and he has created his part with pin numbers on the outside of the schematic part and "pin label" text on the inside of the schematic part. The problem we are having is that if I swap pins on that device on the board design, back annotate the swapping to the schematic the physical wire on the schematic page did NOT move, the PIN NUBERS get swapped to reflect the true layout of the PCB but the PIN LABELS did NOT move. So we end up with pin numbers on the outside of the schematic part that do not align properly with pin labels on the inside of the schematic part. Do we have something set up incorrectly or is this a limitation of Concept, because it is my understanding that Mentor ePD swaps pins based on the "pin label" and the pin number follow the swap so that the two items are always in sync. Any help out there? Please and thanks in advance. Vincent Di Lello, CID+ Senior CAD Designer Kaleidescape Canada, Inc. vdilello@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (v) 519.772.6418 (f) 519.772.6401 (c) 519.835.4477 www.kaleidescape.com