There is always a possibility of a sliver of copper floating around when you use pad same size as drill. We create all of our NPTH padstacks with a 10 mil spotter pad. We also define a circular line on a board geometry subclass that is the same size as the drill. This can then be set up so line to line checking will generate a DRC. Shirley in Oregon It is a PRIVILEGE to be born free. It is a RIGHT to live free. It is a DUTY to die free. ________________________________ From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Salberg Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:16 AM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Non plated Holes DRC checking? We create the padstack with the same size pad as drill. After it is drilled...no more copper. We used to have the pad smaller than the drill, but then you are not checking the actual distance for drc. Regards, Mark Bill Zembek wrote: Hi In version 16.3 & 16.2 you can setup the drc for hole to shape, line, hole checks. To create a donut pad create a circle shape, cut a narrow rectangular void, then void the center. It creates a C. Bill Zembek Technical Support - Allegro Specialist EMA Design Automation, Inc. 225 Tech Park Drive Rochester, New York 14623 Phone 585-334-6001 Opt 5 Fax 585-334-6693 www.ema-eda.com<http://www.ema-eda.com> www.timingdesigner.com<http://www.timingdesigner.com> Cadence(r) OrCAD(r) Capture CIS with Digi-Key(r) Integration View a live demo * Register Now!<http://www.ema-eda.com/products/orcad/cis-digi-key-integration.aspx?campaignID=164> ________________________________ From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Seymour Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 2:03 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Non plated Holes DRC checking? As far as the donut pads goes: One of the problems is flash symbols can not have void: Create symbol started. ERROR(SPMHCS-8): Flash symbol cannot have a void in a shape. Dave Dave Seymour Ixia www.ixiacom.com<http://www.ixiacom.com> 919.267.4840 ________________________________ From: Dave Seymour Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 1:58 PM To: 'icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>' Subject: RE: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Non plated Holes DRC checking? 16.3 Dave Seymour Ixia www.ixiacom.com<http://www.ixiacom.com> 919.267.4840 ________________________________ From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Les Wong Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 1:56 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Non plated Holes DRC checking? What version of Allegro are you using ? --- On Mon, 8/9/10, Reade, Sue <Sue.Reade@xxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:Sue.Reade@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Reade, Sue <Sue.Reade@xxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:Sue.Reade@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Non plated Holes DRC checking? To: "icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"<mailto:icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 10:18 AM To get the pull back on power layers we use Route keepout around NP pins. This also serves the same function on signal layers to keep traces out of the holes. Sue Reade CAD Engineer, Hardware Engineering, NSG (o) +1.919.461-1047 | (m) +1.919.819-8092 From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jean Bratton Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 1:17 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: Non plated Holes DRC checking? We put a pad but in the flash name we put "BLANK" and then it's not actually a pad on the board, just a pad for Allegro to use. Alternate would be to put a route keepout around the pin. Jean Bratton Senior PCB Designer Freedom CAD Services, Inc. Phone: 603-864-1349 Skype: jean.bratton Email: jean.bratton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</mc/compose?to=jean.bratton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Visit us at http://www.freedomcad.com From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Seymour Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 1:06 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Non plated Holes DRC checking? To All, I'm looking for alternative way of creating Non plated holes in allegro. I have 2 situations: 1) Non plated hole, No pad. - What are people using to keep traces away from the edge of the drill hole? 2) Non plated hole with a pad. - In this case a donut shaped pad would be best where one could specify an inside diameter and an external diameter. I have a current method, but am curious as to how other folks are doing either of the above. 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