Thanks Larry, I wondered about its usefulness since you can do just about all those keys with the braille keys. Thanks for clearing that up. Great tool! I think the makers of the other note takers should be very concerned about the new kid on the block. Richard -----Original Message----- From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of LARRY SKUTCHAN Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:54 AM To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Alt Key and Keypad Key on the Braille Plus Not dense at all, in fact, it is not of much use now. Originally, it was a way to type the numeric keypad keys on a regular 101 key keyboard. There are some rare instances where it would be of use. Some of the review commands for the Speakup screen reader in console mode are examples. >>> richard@xxxxxxxxxxxx Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:43:46 PM >>> At the risk of seeming completely dense, could you give a couple examples? Richard -----Original Message----- From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of LARRY SKUTCHAN Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 7:00 AM To: icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [icon-discuss] Re: Alt Key and Keypad Key on the Braille Plus It produces a key from the numeric keypad rather than from the main part of a qwerty keyboard. >>> richard@xxxxxxxxxxxx Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:30:35 PM >>> OK. I think I understand the alt key from the chart in the manual. It is chord+u, then the next letter pressed is modified as if you were holding down the alt key on a QWERTY keyboard. However, could someone explain the chord+n, keypad key a bit further? I'm probably just being dense. Also, can anyone else get the Braille Plus to speak the time with the chord+t command? I cannot. Thanks, Richard