I also agree with Muniswara, and would prefer to use the full swing range as the basis. This is what the receiver has available to discriminate the received logic level. Mike ________________________________ From: David Banas [mailto:david.banas@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 11:54 AM To: Muniswara Reddy Vorugu; Mike LaBonte (milabont) Cc: ibis-quality@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [ibis-quality] Re: section 7 You know, several people inside Xilinx have made the same comment. The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that what you're proposing is a better way. Perhaps we should discuss this in committee? -db ________________________________ From: Muniswara Reddy Vorugu [mailto:Muniswarareddy.Vorugu@xxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 8:38 PM To: David Banas; Mike LaBonte (milabont) Cc: ibis-quality@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [ibis-quality] Re: section 7 Hi Banas, From Err = (IBIS - Spice) / Spice This metric for Low level is pessimistic compared to High level, Particularly in Full swing I/O like GPIOs. I will explain it with an example. Logic level IBIS SPICE Absolute ERR Relative to VDD Relative Err Vlow_level 0.11 0. 1 0.01 0.003 0.1 Vhigh_level 3.31 3.30 0.01 0.003 0.003 In this example, for same Absolute error of 0.01V, low level has relative error of 0.1 while high level have 0.003. I feel, the metric for Low_level and High levels should be absolute terms, or relative to Swing/Supply. Thanks Muniswara From: ibis-quality-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-quality-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Banas Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:49 AM To: Mike LaBonte (milabont) Cc: ibis-quality@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ibis-quality] Re: section 7 Here you go, Mike. -db ________________________________ From: Mike LaBonte (milabont) [mailto:milabont@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:46 AM To: David Banas Subject: section 7 Hi David, For some crazy reason I can't find the email you sent about IQ section 7. Could you resend? Mike This email and any attachments are intended for the sole use of the named recipient(s) and contain(s) confidential information that may be proprietary, privileged or copyrighted under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, copy, or forward this email message or any attachments. Delete this email message and any attachments immediately. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. This email and any attachments are intended for the sole use of the named recipient(s) and contain(s) confidential information that may be proprietary, privileged or copyrighted under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, copy, or forward this email message or any attachments. Delete this email message and any attachments immediately.