Greg, Thanks for volunteering in supplying models for this experiment. Since we are discussing package and on-die interconnect modeling, I would think that we could assume that we don't need to worry about AMI models in this experiment. I would also think that we could assume just plain vanilla buffer models (at least initially). So I would suggest to start your examples with package and if you have any, on-die interconnect models. I don't think that the data in these models have to be "true", i.e. you don't need to get into the NDA territory, but it should be realistic enough to illustrate the usual modeling practices you have. Thanks, Arpad ============================================================== From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gregory R Edlund Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:19 PM To: ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ibis-macro] Test Cases for IBIS Next (or whatever we decide to call it) OK, guys. What would the EDA vendors like to see as examples? Both silicon and package? Or just package? AMI or garden-variety IBIS? Here are the variations I can come up with for a flip-chip BGA package: 1. single-ended 2. differential 3. uncoupled 4. coupled 5. T-line 6. vias 7. signal 8. power 9. s-parameters 10. lumped elements Let me know if there is anything I'm missing. Greg Edlund Senior Engineer Signal Integrity and System Timing IBM Systems & Technology Group 3605 Hwy. 52 N Bldg 050-3 Rochester, MN 55901