All, After reviewing all of the discussion on BIRDS 116-125, I have come to the following conclusions 1. Requiring the unity gain model inside ISS Analog Buffer models is acceptable to SiSoft. We will support any consensus within the ATM committee and the Open Forum. 2. We will modify BIRD 122 to support the AMI file referencing ISS Analog Buffer Models directly. 3. We will modify BIRD 122 to support the AMI file referencing ISS Package Models directly. I think this is a good time to revisit a decision that was made three years ago about how AMI Models were referenced in the .ibs file. In review, a typical AMI section in an IBIS file might look like: [Algorithmic Model] Executable Linux_gcc3.4.6_64 tx.linux64.dll tx.ami Executable Linux_gcc3.4.6_32 tx.linux32.dll tx.ami Executable Windows_VisualC++2008_32 sb_tx.win32.dll tx.ami [End Algorithmic Model] Suppose instead the interface was [Advanced Model] AMI_File tx.ami [End Advanced Model] And the .ami file had a reserved parameter "AMI_Model_Type", and the .ami file also contained reserved parameters that would have as values the names of the DLL files. With this structure, one can simply declare new following new AMI_Model_Type values: SerDes_Tx SerDes_Rx SerDes_Repeater_Rx SerDes_Repeater_Tx ISS_Tx ISS_Rx VHDL-AMS Verilog-AMS SPICE And use the power of the .ami language to define the interface to the Model. In short, we get around the issues of Typ, Min, Max and inability for IBIS to adapt to changing requirements by using the Advanced Modeling Interface as method of interfacing to the latest technologies, and we have a simple method of adopting as standard, by promoting the AMI parameters that define the interface to these new models as Reserved Parameters. I think this approach is the correct one, and I think that the IC Vendor and System Design community that use IBIS models would recognize that this is the path for IBIS to become more relevant for the demanding needs of the users of models for non SerDes Algorithmic Models. We will accept any consensus within the ATM committee and the Open Forum regarding defining the interface to package and buffer analog ISS subckts in the existing .ibs file, as long as it also supports the ability to make these interface definitions in the .ami file. Walter Walter Katz wkatz@xxxxxxxxxx Phone 303.449-2308 Mobile 303.883-2120