David, In some of our recent work in this area we found that the quality of the S-parameter models may also have a strong impact on your ability to open the eye. We found that the same channel's model would not be able to give an open eye when the S-parameter data does not go all the way down to DC. We often see S-parameter data begin at 50, 100 or even at 200 MHz on the low end, and depending on how the simulator deals with the missing low frequency points you may get different answers, including closed eyes when the eye would actually be open with a better model. You didn't say which simulator you are using. If you happen to be working with ours, I would be glad to offer you more details and help off line... Thanks, Arpad ===================================================================== From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Banas Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:57 AM To: SI-List; ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ibis-macro] Anyone opened the eye, at 28 Gbps, for any of the 802.3bj working group's channels? Hi all, I'm attempting to, in simulation, open a 28 Gbps eye, using various candidate channels from the 802.3bj working group's "Channel Data" page, located here: http://www.ieee802.org/3/100GCU/public/channel.html And I am failing miserably. I'm wondering if anyone else has tried this and had any luck. Specifically, I'm curious as to: 1. Whether you were able to open a 28 Gbps eye, using any of these channels? 2. If so, what modulation scheme were you using? 3. Approximately, how much Tx and Rx equalization was necessary, in order to do so? 4. Is there a particular one of these channels, which the group is tending to gravitate towards, in order to "standardize" modulation scheme comparison results. Thanks, in advance, for anything you're able/willing to say publicly on this topic! -db