[huskerlug] Re: Windows 7 'Brain Dead Edition' (aka Starter Edition)
- From: Charles Leslie <charles.leslie@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: huskerlug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 11:29:39 -0500
Really what would be useful is benchmarks showing that Linux is faster
on netbooks than Windows 7 will be, plus the crippleware would be a
compelling argument to switch if your software needs allow for it.
That would be a step in the right direction, rather than merely
claming that Windows 7 crippleware is crap and 'Brain Dead' so to
speak.
Unbiased data makes better for arguments, in my opinion. If you want
to change someone's mind, you have to show them why something is
better in a positive light, not simply proclaim that what they use is
crap.
I'm pretty opinionated myself, so I can understand peoples biases. I
just think a Linux group should be more Linux discussion oriented,
rather than Windows discussion oriented.
I'm OS Agnostic, which means I tend to use the best tool/OS for the
job, which in some cases means supporting things that are unethical
because that's the real world.
If I suggested to a Linux user that his OS is crap because it doesn't
natively run AutoCAD and/or the latest 3D DirectX proprietary gaming
software, or ActiveX web enabled plugins, why would you get defensive?
These are just facts. Personally I use Debian for firewalls and save
my company a ridiculous amount of money every year, and that's a fact.
The opinion that Microsoft has unethical practices would be more of a
discussion for a Microsoft watchdog group, not a Linux user group,
although I do find that stuff interesting, it in no way helps
discussions toward Linux. I might as well switch to Mac or BSD. You
have to show why Linux is a better solution, with data, starting
first.
You can't just say "don't eat rotten apples because they're rotten" to
get me to eat ripe apples. If I was on a mailing list that did
nothing but talk about how rotten someone's apples were, and never
tell me information about where to get good apples or how to use them,
I'll ignore you and switch to pears instead. See what I mean?
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Jim Worrest <jworrest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Really, I'm in basic agreement with you, though even Windows users
> should be informed that M$ is sneaky in putting out crippleware, for
> such things as netbooks. Personally the fawning over Ubuntu is a little
> over the top. It strikes me as a copy of Debian, without the needed
> enhancements, e.g., extra programs, that some distros supply as
> standard, e.g., Saybayon does.
>
> But, yes, I can be very eclectic when it comes to OS's (or Linux
> distros) when the need arises. =-O ---Jim
>
> Charles Leslie wrote:
>> Why is this the bash Microsoft list again? One thing that always
>> irritates me about the Linux user group here is that it seems to be
>> more of a support group for Microsoft haters, rather than a group of
>> people actually interested in Linux or computing in general.
>>
>> Howbout the spread of positive knowledge and an on-topic discussion
>> about Linux for once? Lots of people use Windows, for better or for
>> worse, because there is software that only runs natively on that OS.
>> These people also might be interested in hearing about new Linux tech,
>> and not hearing about why an operating system sucks.
>>
>> I for one, an OS agnostic, and think there are positives and negatives
>> to every OS. I run Debian, XP, OSX, OpenBSD to name a few. You don't
>> hear me trashing on OpenBSD because it doesn't have all the bells and
>> whistles of Ubuntu.
>>
>> Until one operating system can run all software, you just have to grow
>> up and face the fact that there will be users of all operating systems
>> that have software that runs natively only on that OS, and that's a
>> good reason to select said OS. You've been around for a long time, so
>> you should realize this, despite your personal preferences.
>>
>> On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM, GreyGeek <GreyGeek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10012678o-2000498448b,00.htm[1]
>>>
>>> I've just read an excellent blog[2] about Microsoft's plans to try to
>>> hoodwink consumers with "Windows 7 Starter Edition" on netbooks. It is clear
>>> that Windows 7 can't compete with Linux on netbooks in either price or
>>> features, so what MS is planning to do is cut the price on a lobotomized
>>> version, in order to at least get into the ballpark on price, and hope that
>>> the majority of consumers are even more stupid than their operating system
>>> and won't realize what is going on. To follow their thinking to its logical
>>> conclusion, what should then happen is that the consumer gets fed up with
>>> thelemon they have purchased, and will then give Microsoft even more money
>>> to"upgrade" to a non-crippled version of Windows 7 - and in this case it is
>>> an even better deal for Microsoft because they certainly will charge the end
>>> user a higher price than they would have charged the netbook OEM in the
>>> firstplace, and they don't have to share any of this money with the OEM.
>>>
>>> Of course, the "upgraded" Windows 7 still can't compete with a Linux
>>> installation on features (can you say "OpenOffice"? Sure, I knew you
>>> could...), so MS is apparently hoping that consumers will give them even
>>> MOREmoney for MS Office.
>>>
>>> Tired of Microsoft cleaning out your wallet for you? Then just say NO to
>>> Windows and MS Office!
>>>
>>> Download Linux Kubuntu for free, or have Canonical send you the CD for free.
>>> Here is the webwite:
>>> https://shipit.kubuntu.org/[3]
>>>
>>> Kubuntu comes with OpenOffice, the drop-in replacement for MS Office, plus
>>> thousands of other applications. All free.
>>> GG
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Links ---
>>> 1
>>> http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10012678o-2000498448b,00.htm
>>> 2
>>> http://blogs.computerworld.com/will_microsoft_blow_its_netbook_lead_with_windows_7_crippleware
>>> 3 https://shipit.kubuntu.org/
>>>
>>> ----
>>> Husker Linux Users Group mailing list
>>> To unsubscribe, send a message to huskerlug-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> with a subject of UNSUBSCRIBE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ----
>> Husker Linux Users Group mailing list
>> To unsubscribe, send a message to huskerlug-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> with a subject of UNSUBSCRIBE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> ----
> Husker Linux Users Group mailing list
> To unsubscribe, send a message to huskerlug-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> with a subject of UNSUBSCRIBE
>
>
>
----
Husker Linux Users Group mailing list
To unsubscribe, send a message to huskerlug-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
with a subject of UNSUBSCRIBE
Other related posts:
