G'evening all, we had a power supply blow up in the PC that filters all
our email over the weekend so I'm only now just working my way through
this. Before diving in though, assuming I've done this correctly these
links should give you the current lists:
http://www.oasw.co.uk/hrock/evening.php
http://www.oasw.co.uk/hrock/daytime.php
they are taken from the live database so should reflect exactly what
Nick has loaded in - sorted by artist.
Onto how the playlists work, basically the system itself is flexible
enough to do pretty much anything you want, the challenge is defining
exactly what that is.
From an OAS Playout perspective, we not only have the ability to
generate as many playlists as you want, according to various criteria
(ie. the daytime list, with it's genre "cycling" of Light,Medium,Heavy
is totally bespoke for Hastings Rock because that is what Nick
originally wanted). I've written a couple of custom ones like that
although most stations I deal with tend to use the generic one which
picks tracks at random (spacing out the artists) for a predefined
selection.
We also have plugins which have accomplished things similar to the
playblock concept used by SAM - so in a previous year where we had a
single playlist, during the evening slots it automatically replaced all
the "light" track with X-tracks. One of the other stations I work with
have a quite elaborate set of rules which they use during automation to
select tracks from multiple playlists according to a similar scheduling
rule.
Actually one of the things that has dropped out of that is that the
plugins have (arguably) become too complex such that sometimes I get
feedback that they've misbehaved (tracks weren't played out as expected)
- often this isn't the case but it's difficult to diagnose if you
haven't got a fixed playlist to go and look at. Dropping out of that,
about 18 months ago I rolled out a new "Multilist" Playlist generator
which (if we want to go ahead with this idea) kind of does exactly what
Sarah just said doesn't happen ("No they don’t all go into the same
playlist") but gives us the expected result anyway.
The premise is that you generate your playlists as normal so a Daytime,
Classic & New Music list. You then use the Multilist generator to
generate a single, combined list where you specify the rotation order
from which. Arguably, this isn't the best approach to use if you were
running a station 24/7 (the plugin approach maybe better) but for us
it'll do exactly what we need in the simplest fashion.
Hope that all makes sense.
j.
In article <6DDF4558607645BDB805A00C7EB42BEC@NickPC>, Nick Apps
<nick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes
Oh i see , i think ? yes that would work but this is what we do now .
Anway as i say need to talk will ring you this afternoon if you are
free?
From: Sarah Shirley
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 8:14 AM
To: hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [hrock] Re: Music
No they don’t all go into the same playlist. All the tracks go into
different playlists and they can be weighted as you please within those
different playlists.
However a ‘playblock’ regulates how the tracks are selected from those
playlists.... it just makes organising music easier.
For instance... a playblock as played out on air would go something
like this
Normal Playlist Track
Normal Playlist Track
Classic Rock Playlist Track
Normal Playlist Track
New Rock A Playlist
Normal Playlist Track
Normal Playlist Track
Brand New Rock Playlist Track
So in this case all the brand new tracks would go into the Brand New
Rock Playlist and hence a track from this playlist would be played
every 8th track.
Its just the way I organise it in SAM and works really well.
Sarah
From: Nick Apps
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 9:49 PM
To: hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [hrock] Re: Music
i was very difficult and not fulprof to get all the tracks to be heavy
medium light (bunching and duplicates at the end of the list . and
that was the 1st rule in the list . the 2nd rule is the year i think .
but when i asked Jon about a 3rd rule he said it wouldn't work as the
1st rule takes president.
or matbe you dont mean put them in the same list , we need to talk.
From: Sarah Shirley
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2018 5:53 PM
To: hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [hrock] Re: Music
I don’t understand the word ‘Impossible’..... we inserted the new new
tracks in last time in a suitable rotation. Why do we need to insert
them equally.... surely they can be inserted as a rotation rule....
they really don’t have to come up in a certain time each hour.
A playblock would look something like this and just loop in
rotation.... (example)
Playlist Track
Playlist Track
Classic Rock Track
Playlist Track
New Rock A List
Playlist Track
Playlist Track
Brand New Rock
Anyway.... in the meantime the New Rock A List is streaming here
http://listen.samcloud.com/w/73742/Sarahs-New-Rock-Hastings-Rock/?play=y#history
There are actually 214 tracks in the A List
Sarah
From: Nick Apps
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 2:28 PM
To: hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [hrock] Re: Music
ok Sarah I'm ready when you are, so just pop round .
i see where you are coming from with the rotation but would be
impossible to schedule them equally in each programme.
nick.
From: Sarah Shirley
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 7:16 PM
To: hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [hrock] Re: Music
I have filtered the 1200 new tracks down a number of times and have two
final lists
A List – Ones I think would probably go into the normal playlist on a
suitably frequent rotation – There are about 230 tracks in this list
B List – Ones I think should go into the normal playlist on a less
frequent rotation – There are about 230 tracks in this list too
I still have a bit of work to do on these tracks but they will be ready
over the coming week. I would suggest I drop round with a memory stick
when they are ready Nick.
If there is a track that isn’t in there that you think should be, I
have probably got it but not included it. Please ask. There are around
700 tracks I haven’t included at all.
I have put a cut on these tracks as February 28th. Subsequent new
tracks will go into my New Rock Show and the best ones post March 1st
will go into the playlist after being played in the New Rock show. With
the New Rock Show potentially on the first day of broadcast then the
best ones will go straight in anyway.
In previous broadcasts we have done this New Music feature during the
show clockwheel.... I have strong opinions on this and I am not a fan
of this approach. I believe strongly that they should go into heavy,
moderate or light rotation in the playlist depending on the track
itself. It can always be introduced as something ‘recently released’
and can be marked as such.
I hope that is all as clear as mud.... I will let you know Nick when
new tracks are ready.
Sarah
From: Nick Apps
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 1:12 PM
To: hrock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [hrock] Music
Dear Sarah. im ready now for your music now , would be best on a stick
, can collect from you.
Nick.
