so what do you want me for? I'd be intersted in helping with the Support Kit. Also what is the problem with binary compatablity. I ask this as I'm a Java Programmer and have only dabbled in C++. (in Java if the public interface is the same, you can mix and match object version/implementations to your hearts contect. If it's not the same in C++, how are versions (r4 & r5, WinNT & Win2K) binary commpatable)? Thanks, Mike -- Michael Lloyd Lee mlk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "We won't be lighting the eggplants in the game because they are purple." - Chris Taylor