[guidedogchat] Re: Labs - Re: Re: Hi all,

  • From: Doug Parisian <eggmann@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 10:59:04 -0600

Julia, I hadn't heard about the need to be aggressive as a requirement for 
Shepherds in Germany.  With our city streets and uncivilization in many 
countries becoming more unsafe, perhaps a little secretive aggressiveness 
could come in handy, especially for women's protection.

Doug: want a certain clear path when out with your dog, Substitute the word 
"kill" for the command "forward.
.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: J Kimbell
  To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:15 PM
  Subject: [guidedogchat] Re: Labs - Re: Re: Hi all,


  I think you are probably right about the first. Some of these dogs dont 
even look like them, do they?  And as for GS's, its the same in the UK, I've 
seen some show ones and they look awful, they  have very arched backs and 
are very thin, so add spinal problems to your list too. As I understand it, 
unl;ess its now changed, but to regester a GS in Germany it has to prove its 
ability to attack. Its what I've read, but this may have changed now.  It 
was some years ago I read tyhis, the book in question said its not good to 
have a GS for a pet with close German descendants. If this has now changed 
then my apologies. Which here in the UK, would rule them out as guide dogs. 
There was a bit stink here a few years back about the health issues among 
some breeds the GS included among them and the Kennel Clubb got a lot of 
flak as a result, so breeders got told to clean up their act as it were 
andimprove on this, but it will obviously take some time to breed away from 
what they've done to some dogs.
  Julia

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Doug Parisian
    To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 2:42 PM
    Subject: [guidedogchat] Re: Labs - Re: Re: Hi all,


    Sad to say, those silly back yard breeders, with little or know 
knowledge of genetics, have bread many unfortunate freaks of nature who 
somehow get passed off as dogs.

    Thinking about the decrease in Shepherd use, that breed in north America 
has been largely ruined by breeding for looks, resulting in what I am told 
by a couple of veterinarians are above occurrences of digestive problems, 
skin issues, hip problems, as well as temperament issues.  Apparently, some 
dog guide schools have negotiated breeding stock from Germany which is why 
Shepherd choices are increasing compared to say, 10-15 years ago.

    Doug: Oh lord it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in every way?

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: J Kimbell
      To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 7:10 PM
      Subject: [guidedogchat] Re: Labs - Re: Re: Hi all,


      Well, yes, you are right, its the onwers, not the dogs, but equally 
what they were bred for, so even the breeders, breeding lap dogs. I know a 
Lowchen who thinks she is ever such a big dog and rough houses with Wren who 
is probably 4 times her size if not more!! If they are allowed to be dogs 
they arent all bad, but most are not.
      Julia

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Doug Parisian
        To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:23 PM
        Subject: [guidedogchat] Re: Labs - Re: Re: Hi all,


        The real sad thing is, it seems that the littlest dogs belong to the 
littlest minds!

        I know of a few exceptions, like a friend who has one of those rats 
on a leash, a real little sweety, well behaved.  One good lick from my 
former dog guide Payton, 55 pounds of attitude, and that poor little 
creature was wet all over.  Little creature didn't seem to mind at all.

        Doug: my dog can lick your dog--and you too!

          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: J Kimbell
          To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
          Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 2:09 AM
          Subject: [guidedogchat] Re: Labs - Re: Re: Hi all,


          Rats on ropes thats what I call them. Horrid little things, most 
of them. They are so often babied and not allowed to behave like dogs. Urgh.
          Julia

            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Louise Johnson
            To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
            Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 8:31 PM
            Subject: [guidedogchat] Re: Labs - Re: Re: Hi all,


            Hi yes I agree with the thought that little dogs are biters and 
I have always said no small dog for me.  I have tripped on them before and 
got knip on the foot and I find at least bigger dogs will move out of my way 
from Louise and Hawk



            From: guidedogchat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:guidedogchat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vincent Thacker
            Sent: December 3, 2013 1:31 AM
            To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
            Subject: [guidedogchat] Re: Labs - Re: Re: Hi all,



            Louise,

            It's the small dogs you've got to be wary of, in my experience. 
Like Yorkshire terrorists. I can understand what put you off big ones as a 
child, of course, but watch those ankle-snappers !

            Vince.





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              Message Received: Dec 03 2013, 12:53 AM
              From: "Louise Johnson"
              To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
              Cc:
              Subject: [guidedogchat] Re: Labs - Re: Re: Hi all,

              Hi doug I understand that I only have met a Shepherd that I 
would even consider using as a guide dog. This one was my best friends guide 
dog and she was just one of the best Shepherds

              That I know. As a kid  our family had a shepherd for a very 
short time our family had been broken into and my grandfather decided that 
we neded a shepherd to stay out side and be a gard dog and he bit a 
childfrom next door and it was gone the very next day.



              It left me as a 10 year old child scared of big dogs. Yes I 
have grown out of it but big dogs do scare me sometimes.  From Louise and 
Hawk

              From: guidedogchat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:guidedogchat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Doug Parisian
              Sent: December 2, 2013 12:13 PM
              To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
              Subject: [guidedogchat] Re: Labs - Re: Re: Hi all,



              Louise, I wasn't in any way questioning your specific needs, 
just so we're clear.



              I've also met quite a few Shepherds who have a slower than 
usual walk and yes, even pull (or not) appropriate for the needs of their 
partners.  I recall one in particular, a dog named Lou, just a totally sweet 
little creature of 55 pounds.  Due to a couple of days where my roommate had 
foot/diabetes issues, I took Lou out to park and actually had to checked the 
leash to make certain he was still around.  He was quite the little rowdy 
when loose and not on duty; he and my dog, a yellow lab named Iggy, had 
great play times together, officially unknown by TSI.



              Doug: my bight is worse than my bark.



                ----- Original Message ----- 

                From: Louise Johnson

                To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

                Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:27 PM

                Subject: [guidedogchat] Re: Labs - Re: Re: Hi all,



                Hi it started by me Louise I have Hawk my black lab and he 
is a slower dog and takes and works with my short steps I take because I 
have bad knees.  I enjoy walking with a guide dog and I just take longer to 
get places.  When I use a cane I even walk very slow.  I enjoy Hawk to the 
fullest he shows me a little things that help me not fall and hurt myself. 
I have dislocating knee caps and hitting cracks the wrong way puts me down 
and knee pops out.  I know that there is faster black labs but guide dogs 
schools work with me and helps me find the best dog for me.  My dogs don’t 
work maybe as long but I have found they work hard and care about my life 
and that gives me joy.  From Louise and Hawk



                From: guidedogchat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:guidedogchat-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Doug Parisian
                Sent: December 2, 2013 9:11 AM
                To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                Subject: [guidedogchat] Re: Labs - Re: Re: Hi all,



                Not sure where this thread about labs being slow popped up. 
I've had one Shepherd, two yeller labs, a black lab, and a retriever.  None 
were in any way slow dogs which was a good thing since I often like to walk 
at almost a jogging speed.



                Doug: Another one eats my dust!



                  ----- Original Message ----- 

                  From: Charles Rivard

                  To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

                  Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:06 AM

                  Subject: [guidedogchat] Re: Labs - Re: Re: Hi all,



                  Purdue doesn't take really short steps, although his pace 
is, at times, a bit slower than mine.  He's a good Labby Boy, though, and I 
like his woof!


                  ---
                  Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close 
second.

                    ----- Original Message ----- 

                    From: Fay Marshall

                    To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

                    Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 7:37 PM

                    Subject: [guidedogchat] Re: Labs - Re: Re: Hi all,



                    I agree with you, Charles, GS do have a mind of their 
own, but labs , to me, take little steps, and lumber rather than walk.  I 
have only had two labs, so I guess I am not a lab person.  Yes, they are 
chow hounds, and inhale their food.  I had to save a lab one time, I had a 
small roast on the cabinet, and I heard the dog making funny noises, I went 
to the kitchen and he was trying to inhale the roast, not successfully.  I 
ripped the roast out of this throat and threw it away.



                    From: Charles Rivard

                    Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 3:55 PM

                    To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

                    Subject: [guidedogchat] Labs - Re: Re: Hi all,



                    Labs, or at least the one I have and those I have seen, 
are food hounds!!  Although a bit small for me at 22 inches at the shoulders 
and about 75 pounds, Purdue is a good guide, though.


                    ---
                    Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close 
second.

                      ----- Original Message ----- 

                      From: Don Marr

                      To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

                      Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 3:39 PM

                      Subject: [guidedogchat] Re: Hi all,



                      You're right, Julia, Shepherds can be a handfull, and 
they have a mind of their own, and honestly, they aren't for everyone,

                      they are a high maintainance dog,

                      Labs are a lot more submissive, and just happy go 
lucky dogs,but

                      I sure hope you can get a shepherd one of these days, 
Don

                        ----- Original Message ----- 

                        From: J Kimbell

                        To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

                        Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:25 AM

                        Subject: [guidedogchat] Re: Hi all,



                        I know. They use mostly Lab-Retriever crosses here 
nowadays. I think its because few people are suited to Sheps. Dont really 
know to be honest!! I think Labs are eaier to train and they are also fussy 
about temperament, plus Shepherds can find it difficult to transfer their 
affection to another handler. But I'd give anything for one myself. Always 
loved them.

                        Julia



                          ----- Original Message ----- 

                          From: Don Marr

                          To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

                          Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 9:16 PM

                          Subject: [guidedogchat] Re: Hi all,



                          Julia, why don't they use more Shepherds? i know 
Labs are the more popular dog, but Sheps are really good guides also, don

                            ----- Original Message ----- 

                            From: J Kimbell

                            To: guidedogchat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

                            Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:03 AM

                            Subject: [guidedogchat] Re: Hi all,



                            Lucky man!! Its my dream to have a Shepherd, but 
very few are used in the UK.

                            Julia



                              ----- Original Message ----- 

                              From: Don Marr

                              To: guide dogchat

                              Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 7:12 PM

                              Subject: [guidedogchat] Hi all,



                              my name is don, i live here in central Ny, and 
have had guides for 36 years,

                              have had 6 dogs, 5 shepherds and one yellow 
lab,

                              you can tell i like my Sheps, LOL<

                              and have gotten all of my dogs from the seeing 
eye, take care, all, Don

                              Don
                              the curmudgeon has spoken.
                              dpm51@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


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