Hi Jim. that's sad how things worked out for that lady. My wife had a stroke and needed a lot of help and support from me. Life can be cruel. This club I go to was started by a disabled person three years ago. Like I said its for all disabilities. After the membership rose we formed a full committee. It kept growing and now its a registered charity which as you probably know we can get grants etc and we have a nice bank balance now so we can buy the necessary equipment for all needs including Guide soft wear on the computer. But the main thing is there are 35 members from walking with mental problems and other things. about six in wheelchairs including myself. We all talk to each other about our illnesses and learn to understand them.They know a lot about blindness now So I think a lot of these single blind only clubs that don't do anything but sleep should start mixing with other disabilities. Everyone mucks in by making and giving out tea and coffee. Volunteers and committee people cook a dinner for ys and all this proves to me that it can be done if people like social services stopped putting us in boxes. love Malcolm. xxx Malcolm; Yes, I agree. The chair of our local blind club (OK, we have to have one to make it look official!), Diana, is a brilliant person. She's sixty-eight now. She first came to the club as a driver/carer for her husband, who had just been registered. Five years later, unfortunately, he died. In the same year, twelve years ago, Diana had a stroke which left her not only totally blind, but wheelchair bound as well. From being an active, energetic person to the state she now found herself in was, as you can imagine, devastating. She was herself a former University lecturer, active as a national Scout leader. Her mind, however, is absolutely fantastic, as, thank God, is her voice. She said that the members of the club helped her realise that things were not quite as black as they could seem at first, and that the support she had from fellow VIPs was amazing, really helping her through the first years. That's one thing a blind club can do which no amount of social work, psychology or the rest can; we've been there, said hello to lamp posts...that kind of thing. I'm trying to persuade her to try voice-activated computing: I haven't had much experience with it myself, but I think it would suit her. She cannot use a keyboard, as her sense of touch, as well as her hand co-ordination, are very limited. -----Original Message----- From: M BOWKER - Email Address: bowker288@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent On: 01/07/2012 23:52 Sent To: Guide Chat - Email Address: guide.chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [guide.chat] In Reply To: [guide.chat] clubs Clare, I agree with Jim here. Loosing your sight in later life is very hard to cope with. You say you have never seen and you cope in your world. When, like me, you loose your sight at the age of 42 years, its frightening to say the least. You have one world you no and cope with. We had one world we lived in and coped with. Then suddenly we enter a whole new world of blindness and nearly all we have learnt over the years has gone out of the window. You have to start learning all over again like a new born baby. You have to change all you knew for new ways of doing the simplest things. like eating, dressing. moving around the house with other people in it. Its hard for them to because they don't understand blindness and they have to learn. The list is endless. And if you live alone like me and you want to stay independent you have to learn how to use the cooker, washer and many other things in the kitchen. Like you say Clare, Its hard for all of us. But were all different in so many ways, there's no easy answers. love Malcolm. xxx Hi Jim, thank you so much for sharing this it's very much appreciated. I always love hearing different points of view. I'm very happy I bought this important subject up. I look forward to hearing others points of view on this matter. So in a way it seems I do have an advantage as I have never known any different with being totally blind from birth. This is my world and all I have ever known. Love Clare ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5104 - Release Date: 07/01/12