Thanks for that vote of confidence Malcolm - it does wonders for my self esteem. I was going to supply free magnifying glasses to all members but not going to bother now as I'm too upset. Dazzling Darren. xxx -----Original Message----- From: M BOWKER - Email Address: bowker288@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent On: 11/07/2012 16:41 Sent To: Guide Chat - Email Address: guide.chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [guide.chat] In Reply To: In Reply To: To the boys Darren, I wouldn't worry about not having the bottom half as no one will see anything. and if they do their eyesight will be so poor they will think its a pencil or a straw . heeheehee