Hahaha, very funny Jim. It's something to do with the depth of his pockets though this sort of thing is usually applied to Scotsmen or is it Yorkshire men. I think by the way that our Carol will need her new mac this week and also I think your club sounds great. We set one up in this area in 1995 which was a mixture of people with various health problems though not particularly for social needs as such. No need to water this evening as its been a drizzly and mizzly day. Love, Anne.