Here's my proposed course/terms. Marks: A = YC "C" off NN Shipyard aprox 37deg58.4minN x 76deg27.2minW B = R "10" Newport News Channel aprox 36deg57.5minN x 76deg23.6minW C= G "3" Hampton River entrance aprox 37deg00.4minN x 76deg20.5minW For Saturday: Start within 50 ft of A at scheduled time, finish at C For Sunday: Start within 50 ft of C at scheduled time, finish at A Distance each way is about 7.1 nm, I'll figure out a starting time for each boat who wants to enter. Saturday prize will be braggin rights in Hampton, and I'll buy winner a beer. Sunday prize will be bragging rights at James River Bridge, winner buys me a beer. I'll just set up a starting time for each of the usual boats and send them out, but let me know if you want George Christian to reserve a slip for you in Hampton. George is heading up the party end of this thing. and no, George won't pay for slips, but he has arranged a group deal that may include a discount. So let me know soon as the more boats the better the discount. See ya. John