Dear All Peace Aspirants,
Good evening! I was absent for some days due to personal problems. I
am sorry to say that my name is posted in favour of “Gandhica –
Kashmir” project. This is not my view. I have given consent for Gandhi
& Buddha Project, but not for such an unfeasible project. I think
research has certain limitations. Every problem may not be studied. I
can not support it.
Regards
Pravatji, India
On 8/19/19, Cdr Bhushan <commander.bhushan.dewan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Leo ji,You can unsubscribe from gha-peace here: //www.freelists.org/list/gha-peace
With due respect to all members, let us not expect members to use online
translator. And in any case, even after using online translator numbers
don’t tally.
Errors in summary-table are not a ‘petty’ matter. Hence request issue a
correct summary table, for proper record of all.
Best
On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 3:47 PM Leo Semashko <leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dear Bhushanji,
The Russian positive clear opinions "YES" *are reflected in Russian
language naturally*, which you could simple translate through online
translator. What problems?
Please, write me personally that not to overload our network with your
technical problems and suspicions. OK?
Let us think about others in such petty letters, and even with your
mistakes. Thank you for understanding.
Best,
Leo
Dr Leo Semashko:
-State Councillor of St. Petersburg, Russia; RANH Professor;
-Philosopher, Sociologist and Peacemaker from Harmony;
-Global Harmony Association (GHA) Founder (2005) and Honorary
President (2016);
-Director, GHA Website "Peace from Harmony": www.peacefromharmony.org;
-Global Peace Science (GPS) from Harmony (616 pages):
http://peacefromharmony.org/docs/global-peace-science-2016.pdf;
-SPHERONS as GPS Center (20 pages):
http://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=423;
-NO TO USA WAR WITH RUSSIA:
http://diy.rootsaction.org/petitions/no-to-war-hot-or-cold-with-russia;
“THE WAR KILLED MY FATHER, AND I KILLED WAR”:
-Personal page: http://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=253;
-GHA Gandhi Book: https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=848
----- Original Message -----
From: Cdr Bhushan, commander.bhushan.dewan@xxxxxxxxx
To: leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 19 августа 2019 г., 12:28:06
Subject: [CORRECTION] “Gandhica-Kashmir” project approved, but rejected
from implementation
Dear Dr Leo,
CORRECTION:
Further to my trailing mail of about 30-minutes back, I have figured out
that instead of the 7-opinions NOT presented on the Project page,
perhaps,
it’s ONLY 3- opinions, namely of [ Victor Danilov (Russia) , Alexander
Semashko (Russia) ,and Habyarimana Heli ( Rwanda) ] that are NOT
presented on the Project page, because I figured out after using my
rusted
knowledge of Russian alphabet, that the Да opinions of our remaining
4-colleagues (viz. Vera Popovich, Boris Resjabek, AlexanderLadugin, and
Daurenbek Aubakir ) are presented on the Project page, in Russian
language. But being in Russian language, I missed to see those as I have
very little – though not zero -- knowledge of Russian.
Thanks and regards
Cdr Bhushan Dewan
On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 2:24 PM Cdr Bhushan <
commander.bhushan.dewan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Dr Leo,
1. Thank you for your response in the trailing mail of today/19 Aug
2019, wherein, as you said, even though the 3 members have not said an
unequivocal ‘NO’, you have made your interpretation as 'NO'.
2. Further, I quote below the extract from your truly-appreciated
painstakingly detailed mail of yesterday, i.e. 18 Aug 2019:
*QUOTE *
*The entire spectrum of opinions (with the exception of a few slurred
remarks) is published chronologically on the project page. *
*UNQUOTE *
3. Kindly permit me to reiterate that indeed as our esteemed
leader, you are setting an inspiring example of transparency for all of
us,
by publishing on the project page all opinions.
4. However, with respect to the above-quoted extract that the entire
spectrum of opinions (with exceptions of a few slurred remarks) is
published on the project page, kindly permit me to observe the
following:-
a.
*That mails confirming ‘NO’ opinion from the following 7-members as per
the summary-table is absent from the project page: *
Vera Popovich
Russia
Victor Danilov
Russia
Boris Resjabek
Russia
Alexander Semashko
Russia
AlexanderLadugin
Russia
Daurenbek Aubakir
Kazakhstan
Habyarimana Heli
Rwanda
5. Would be grateful if you can also publish on the project page, the
‘NO’ opinions of these 7 members, as done for all the members.
with best regards
Thanking you,
Cdr Bhushan Dewan
19 Aug 2019/ 2.20 pm- India Time
On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 1:28 PM Leo Semashko <leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dear Bhushanji,
I will not change anything until we get a clear and unequivocal "NO" from
all three GHA members you mentioned.
Each of us can have very different interpretations of their uncertain
responses without clearly expressing their position as "YES" or "NO".
Thank you for your understanding of this issue,
Leo
Dr Leo Semashko:
-State Councillor of St. Petersburg, Russia; RANH Professor;
-Philosopher, Sociologist and Peacemaker from Harmony;
-Global Harmony Association (GHA) Founder (2005) and Honorary
President (2016);
-Director, GHA Website "Peace from Harmony": www.peacefromharmony.org;
-Global Peace Science (GPS) from Harmony (616 pages):
http://peacefromharmony.org/docs/global-peace-science-2016.pdf;
-SPHERONS as GPS Center (20 pages):
http://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=423;
-NO TO USA WAR WITH RUSSIA:
http://diy.rootsaction.org/petitions/no-to-war-hot-or-cold-with-russia;
“THE WAR KILLED MY FATHER, AND I KILLED WAR”:
-Personal page: http://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=253;
-GHA Gandhi Book: https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=848
----- Original Message -----
From: Cdr Bhushan, commander.bhushan.dewan@xxxxxxxxx
To: leo.semashko@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 18 августа 2019 г., 17:18:27
Subject: “Gandhica-Kashmir” project approved, but rejected from
implementation
Dear Dr Leo,
Thank you for your trailing mail of today.
It’s a detailed and painstaking work that you have put down a detailed
summary table and record of so many mails. Sincere compliments for the
great effort.
However, with respect to the content on the url ✍
https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=899, REQUEST FOLLOWING
CLARIFICATIONS:-
A] In the mail-chain Lucas Pawlik has said- “NO” in his 18-08-19 mail,
but
in the summary table, I don’t find his name on the side of ‘NO”.
B] Dr Dhal – has said ‘NO’ in his 06-08-19 mail, but his name is in YES
tally in the summary table.
C] Maitreyee Roy – has not said to the project in any of her mails quoted
on the page at the url, including the one on 10-08-19, but nher name
appears on the side of YES in the summary table.
Thanks and regards
Cdr Bhushan Dewan
18 Aug 2019/7.47 PM- India Time
On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 6:17 PM Leo Semashko <leo.tetrism76@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dear GHA members, friends,
The discussion and approval of the GHA Gandhica-Kashmir peacemaking
project ended as an attempt to apply our unique scientific interpretation
of the Gandhi great legacy of non-violence to the protracted (over 73
years) armed conflict in Kashmir between India and Pakistan.
Their overall result can be briefly expressed as follows. Although the
majority of the GHA members approved it with 17 “YES” votes against 13
“NO”
votes, however, due to the fact that members of interested countries
rejected it and denied its worthy support and desire to realize it,
depriving it of the real social soil in the GHA, *THIS PROJECT REJECTED
FROM IMPLEMENTATION*. There is no one to do it!
This conclusion is confirmed by the following facts. During the
discussion
within 12 days (August 6-18) we received 74 responses from 30 GHA members
of 11 countries, which are summarized in the table:
GHA Voting Result of the
“Gandhica – Kashmir” Peacemaking Project from August 6 to 18, 2019:
https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=899
*Summary Table *
*VOICES “YES” *
*VOICES “NO”*
Umer Zia
Pakistan
Sanjay Tewari
India
Noor M Larik
Pakistan
Surendra Pathak
India
Zia-ul-Islam
Pakistan
Subhash Chandra
India
Waheed Ahmad
Pakistan
Bhushan Dewan
India
Pravat Kumar Dhal
India
Ashok Tholana
India
Maitreyee Bardhan Roy
India
Markandey Rai
India
Leo Semashko
Russia
Latif Kirmani
India
Vera Popovich
Russia
Ravi Bhatia
India
Victor Danilov
Russia
Theodore Mascarenhas
India
Boris Resjabek
Russia
T.S.Chandrashekar
South Korea
Alexander Semashko
Russia
Rosa Dalmiglio
Italy
AlexanderLadugin
Russia
Rene Wadlow
France
Michael Ellis
Australia
Marнa Cristina Azcona
Argentina
Daurenbek Aubakir
Kazakhstan
Habyarimana Heli
Rwanda
Guy Crequie
France
Rudolf Siebert
USA
*TOTAL: 17 «PRO»*
*Of 8 countries*
*TOTAL: 13 «CONTRA»*
*Of 5 countries*
The entire spectrum of opinions (with the exception of a few slurred
remarks) is published chronologically on the project page. Unfortunately,
there are no responses among them regarding the project content or its
motivation by any peacemaking values and principles. The whole discussion
*revolved
around the political expediency and usefulness of this project from the
point of view of the national interests of India and Pakistan*. This key
motivation was defined by directly opposing assessments of the Article
370
abolition from the India Constitution by the GHA Pakistani members, who
evaluated it extremely negatively (Umer Zia and others) and by the GHA
Indian members, who rated it extremely commendable, positive and
impeccable
(Sanjay Tewari et al.). Unfortunately, nothing other than mutual
harshness,
threats and unsubstantiated propaganda statements in their political
nationalist tendentiousness, the discussion did not give and did not
enrich
the project peacemaking content.
The priority in this discussion was national politics instead of a common
peace. It leads to the paradoxical thought that *the two peoples and
governments prefer to continue fighting with each other for more 73 years
than to seek an acceptable peace among themselves in Kashmir*. Of course,
this is the choice and the right of the peoples and governments of India
and Pakistan, into which others have no right to invade, as a sacred
right
of sovereignty and non-interference in internal affairs. Unfortunately,
our
Indian colleagues especially trumped and even threatened by this.
Another sad conclusion is that only two GHA members (from Australia and
Kazakhstan) used the key argument in the proof of our peacemaking project
-
the Sociological Questionnaire of 22 elementary questions. What level of
peacemaking intelligence and peaceful interest confirms this fact of our
discussion is clear without comment. *This is a very low level,
reflecting the low value of peace and peacemaking projects in the
militaristic world order, which does not initiate, finance or discuss
them
anywhere*. Unfortunately, it remains even in the GHA that our discussion
confirmed. But it is not useless. The discussion and voting of the
project
became a good sociological experiment in the GHA, which determined the
measure, quality and level of peacemaking in it in extremely difficult
international situations of a militaristic world order and its hegemony.
*The GHA refusal from this project is not absolute and eternal*. The
project was created, approved by the GHA by a majority votes. It will
wait
for better times when there are peacemaking governmental or
non-governmental organizations in the interested countries that can take
the GHA peace project "Gandhica-Kashmir" and use it in any way and form.
With this, we carried out the GHA peacemaking mission without raping the
today’s national interests of these countries and their groups in the
GHA.
*On this we put an end to this project*. Now we are returning to the GHA
initial topical agenda related to the promotion of our unique peace book
"Gandhica" in the remaining months of the GHA jubilee "World Gandhi
Year".
This agenda will be discussed in the following days.
Best wishes for peace from harmony / non-violence in Kashmir and
worldwide,
Dr. Leo Semashko
Dr Leo Semashko:
-State Councillor of St. Petersburg, Russia; RANH Professor;
-Philosopher, Sociologist and Peacemaker from Harmony;
-Global Harmony Association (GHA) Founder (2005) and Honorary
President (2016);
-Director, GHA Website "Peace from Harmony": www.peacefromharmony.org;
-Global Peace Science (GPS) from Harmony (616 pages):
http://peacefromharmony.org/docs/global-peace-science-2016.pdf;
-SPHERONS as GPS Center (20 pages):
http://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=423;
-NO TO USA WAR WITH RUSSIA:
http://diy.rootsaction.org/petitions/no-to-war-hot-or-cold-with-russia;
“THE WAR KILLED MY FATHER, AND I KILLED WAR”:
-Personal page: http://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=253;
-GHA Gandhi Book: https://peacefromharmony.org/?cat=en_c&key=848
