Dear Philip, Just one point - the Bible is an extremely accurate historical book that has as much credibility as any other historical writings. Did you know that secular archaeologists thought that king Cyrus was a fictional character until they found archaeological evidence and now they know more about him than any other Biblical king. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: philip madsen To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 11:43 PM Subject: [geocentrism] disturbing deceit! YET just watch how quickly these same men will jump on the story of the flood, or the story of Jesus, because there are no accurate dependable confirmable witnesses to give any impirical evidence.. Give me a break Paul... Get honest..At least get fair. Philip.