[geocentrism] Re: Won't let go!
- From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:58:57 +1000
Well Put Nick.. But there is another view. What if we were/ are both wrong....
However, I must admit I was a bit mystified by Jacks words... Jack I assume you
believe the KJV. How do you iterpret the following. from James 2.
16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled;
notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body;
what doth it profit?
17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith
without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also
believe, and tremble.
20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac
his son upon the altar?
22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made
perfect?
23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it
was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had
received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead
also.
----- Original Message -----
From: Niemann, Nicholas K.
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:48 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Won't let go!
Jack,
Sorry, I'll chime in. I can't let it go either (though I may have missed
the beginning of this discussion, I think I get the gist of your
comments).
Jack--You and Philip have two opposing views of what Jesus requires (the
Catholic view and the non-Catholic view). Since they are opposing
views, one must be wrong. You and Philip are both smart guys, but can't
agree on which is right. If Philip is wrong, then he did some extra
(Catholic) things that weren't necessary for salvation, but he is still
saved (i.e. saved under your theory, because Christ would have covered
Philip's sins). However, if you are wrong, then you came up short and
are not saved. It is simple prudence to take Philip's approach, since
we only get to go through life once. I'd follow the option with
potential upside and no downside, and I'd avoid the one with the
potential downside.
Regards,
Nick.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Lewis [mailto:jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:14 PM
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Won't let go!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 4:36 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Milleniun hoax
Not complaining about my sufferings, as I do truly offer them up as
penance for my sinful life. It will never be enough.
[JL]
Spoken like a true Catholic. You will likely spend eternity in purgatory
hoping enough people will have enough money to have masses said for you.
And if Jesus returns during that time what then? I don't have that
problem because Jesus died for MY sins, there is nothing I can do to
repay Him I simply humbly accept it .
I'm sorry Neville but I just couldn't let this go.
Jack
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