It does seem , does it not , that we are in a bind over proving geocentrism without in the process, requiring a re-examination of some of the basic precepts of generally accepted science. The two real time observations incompatible with our position are the geostationary satellite, and also the "gyroscopic reaction" we see which science would say has to be due to a real earth movement towards the east. It is unchallengeable that if a flywheel is spun on an axis at right angles to the axis of the earth directly over this axis at one of the poles, facing the sun for example, this wheel will appear to rotate following the sun, once every 24 hours. In support of their reasonable acceptance of this proof, it can be demonstrated that if a similar flywheel is rotated attached to a rotating turntable in a laboratory, it likewise will remain stationary and face the same radial, whilst the turntable revolves below it. We as Christians have good reason for this re-examination, and we know it cannot change what is observed, but merely merely change the why it is observed. Our opponents on the other hand do not have any reason to do any re-examination, simply because everything fits in with their practical approach, to the exclusion of God, and/or His Bible, and simply because again, it works. It does not appear to them that anything can be gained in the advancement of science to change direction. We are in the very small minority. But one might say that every really great advancement in science was achieved through minority faith. Steel ships floating, The wright Bros aircraft, and even rocket science and space research, came about by the "few" who bucked the establishment. Everybody and his dog tried to debunk Radio, when it was a proven reality.. The waves would kill people...etc..(something prophetic there) There seems to be no lesser charity in the hearts of jealous academics, than in that of all greedy men, who see their worth threatened by true genius. But our being a minority cannot destroy a very important truth that is on our side. And that truth cannot be denied. No, I'm not going to say the word of God, true as that is. The great TRUTH that I refer to is the uncertainty, the "theoretical uncertainty" upon which they base most of their conclusions. We can claim without fear of contradiction, that all of their conclusions are based upon theoretical assumptions which they cannot prove. Majority rule or acceptance does not apply in discerning truth. Gravity can be pull or push, no matter what the majority call it. If they all by majority turned around and accepted the aether as a reality, with as much faith as they do the current cosmology of science, who can imagine how much advancement in science such would cause?... Time will tell... Philip.