Neville, Does the "heaven above" refer to things outside the Universe, things in the Universe, or both? If we are not to make images of things in the starry heaven, then we cannot make images of the planets, stars, moons, etc., and I would think that we must not make anything that would cause an image to be made, such as a reflector telescope. Even microscopes, eyeglasses, binoculars, and the like should be banned since they all produce likenesses of objects on our retinas. Where does this end? If I make an engineering drawing of anything at all, that is a graven image of something that is in the earth beneath. I really think these commands are all prefaces to His command in Exodus 20:5 not to worship or serve them. Otherwise, virtually everything produced by the hands of mankind is a graven image or likeness of one sort or another ("[there is] no new [thing] under the sun." Eccl 1:9) and we are left gathering sticks and clothing ourselves with animal skins. In His Service (really), Bob -----Original Message----- From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dr. Neville Jones Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:27 PM To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Photographic images Robert, I'm relieved you said, "mindset," rather than, "mind." Hey, what happened to our poetry competition? Money? I did not produce it, did not take the photograph or paint the image, and I do not store it up and hoard it. On the contrary, I am forever giving it back to Caesar. Graven? Yes, I know the meaning of "graven," but the Scriptures I quoted from the KJV Bible do not say just, "graven image." They add: "or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth." And, as I think I did mention, a photographic image is certainly a "likeness." Yours in Christ, Neville. Robert Bennett <robert.bennett@xxxxxxx> wrote: Dr. Jones, An unusual mindset, as usual. Does your local money contain any imagery of royalty (Mary, Queen of Scots, perhaps?)? Assume you forbear using any paper or specie containing such idolatry? Man cannot serve two masters - it must be God or Mammon. Seriously, does the key word "graven" has no special significance? Three dictionary definitions are given for "graven": An idol or fetish carved in wood or stone. a material effigy that is worshipped as a god; "money was his god" [syn: idol, god] Deut. 27:15; Ps. 97:7 (Heb. pesel), refers to the household gods of idolaters. "Every nation and city had its own gods...Yet every family had its separate household or tutelary god." BTW: Is this why you chose a forum where you can't post pics? (8^)> Pax Christi, Robert Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com