2. Do you accept that the Moon goes E->W in a geostatic (non-rotating World) system? I accept that most certainly. 1. Do you accept that if the stars move, a spaceship cannot navigate by them? No . I don't see why not.. Their position for any instant can be computed. Within the solar system anyway. BUT why worry. And who would want to, unless as Robert said the far superior inertial guidance systems and the ground based radio controll failed. The missile aimed at Moscow, or London, has nno eyes, sees no stars, sees no landscape, but will hit spot on target controlled by its internal inertial guidance programme. But back to the pilot of appollo. Isn't the navigation problem brought down to simple observation. Take a football field. All the players and the ball are moving in this and that way. One player can navigate himself to rendevous with the ball or another player, without any reference to any fixed or other moving external objects. He sees his target, calculates instinctively all the variables, and moves in to take it. I am the pilot. I see the moon. I know how far away it is, I know how fast it is travelling relative to my current position. I know exactly the curved course it is taking. I have the power in my engines to match its speed and meet with it exactly where and when I want to. The moon may make two orbits of the earth before I reach it. This makes no difference. I know exactly where it will be when I get to it. Simple math. Except of course we have to calculate in the accelerations of two different gravities. A little bit more complicated than ballistics. I still don't see how this effects the GC/HC discussion. Whether Nasa is lying about appollo or not does not concern me. All governments are liars. I know that if I had the resources, I could go to the moon, and land on it. Mars too. Power, money, energy, and a lead lined spaceship. But such activity gives no proof of geocentrism. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Neville Jones To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:55 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Navigation and rotational direction Gentlemen, We are still no further forward regarding the claims of NASA. The whole Apollo programme issue boils down to two things: 1. Do you accept that if the stars move, a spaceship cannot navigate by them? 2. Do you accept that the Moon goes E->W in a geostatic (non-rotating World) system? We need to reach a concensus on these points, otherwise you and I are wasting our time. Please, therefore, address them. Neville. --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!