Sorry for having mistaken you for a sede vacantist. In the allegory, don't you think that Judas could be the false prophet (the Beast from the Earth in Revelation 13); according to some of the Fathers, the false prophet will be a successor of the apostles (a bishop)... perhaps the bishop of Rome.. Marc Yes of course Marc.. Current Ratzinger could fit the bill, should he go over the edge...but this does not prevent my idea being figuratively in principle of universal betrayal. I do not think Judas apostasised . He was just a common thief , who didn't quite understand what the faith was all about, which is the majority today. Meanwhile the false Prophet will be an apostate, the harlot of Rome...But doesn't he appear at the time or just before antichrist? I do not think we are at that stage yet..Chastisement, soon, two thirds of mankind destroyed, then peace perhaps 20years, then the armageddon and antichrist and the false prophet and all that stuff.. People don't stay cool for long.. Philip.