Dear Neville. As far as I was concerned, there was no apology needed, and I had no hurt feelings. I did not even think your original statement flippant, but took it as an expression of your position, more or less as you expressed it today. I merely saw the opportunity for promoting a point of view. I note that you said, "but my interpretation of that (fatima), if true, would simply be different from the Catholic position." To this I would simply respond with the following. Fatima , like any cult, is a grass roots organisation. It comes/came from the people up, and not down from authority. Sometimes they are permitted, if they do not contradict the dogmas, of tradition or scripture. Sometimes they are condemned, which is more often the case. As regards Fatima, the true believers get very little support or encouragement from the "official church?" today, which has more or less declared the cult errelevant and finished. Its largely a matter of individual choice. There have always been priests and lay people who are unreservedly "Marian" , and others who are not. I see myself as taking the middle road, niether fanatical nor incredulous....testing all things... Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Neville Jones To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 10:37 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Apology Dear All, I recently, rather flippantly, dismissed the alleged incidents that occurred at Fatima. Although I do not accept the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, as you are aware, and therefore do not believe in any miracle(s) at Fatima, I do concede that my ridicule was probably hurtful to those on the forum who do believe in this. Since I made the comment in public, I hereby apologise, unreservedly, in public. I also fully accept that something could well have happened at Fatima, but my interpretation of that, if true, would simply be different from the Catholic position. 1. IN BIBLICAL COSMOLOGY, THE WORLD DOES NOT ROTATE. 2. IN BIBLICAL COSMOLOGY, THE WORLD DOES NOT ORBIT THE SUN. 3. HENCE, IN BIBLICAL COSMOLOGY, THE MOTIONS WE SEE ARE REAL. 4. IN HELIOCENTRIC COSMOLOGY, THE WORLD ROTATES. 5. IN HELIOCENTRIC COSMOLOGY, THE WORLD ORBITS THE SUN. 6. HENCE, IN HELIOCENTRIC COSMOLOGY, THE MOTIONS WE SEE ARE NOT REAL. Website www.midclyth.supanet.com Neville. --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos